X-Message-Number: 25582 From: "Valera Retyunin" <> Subject: To Francois Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 04:43:54 +0300 You wrote: "From the point of view of Francois A, he wakes up and thinks "great, I'm still the same Francois, I'm ok, everything worked like I expected, and look at that, I'm facing the sun." From the point of view of Francois B, he wakes up and thinks "perfect, everything worked just fine, I'm still good old Francois just as before, and I'm the one facing the moon." No magic, no mysticism, no Platonism." Without magic, mysticism or Platonism, Francois A is *not* Francois, and Francois B is *not* Francois either. They only think they are Francois. If Francois dies at the time Francois A and Francois B are created, he is then only facing pitch-black darkness. That is, he is not facing anything at all. You wrote: "Subjectivity is localized where a hunk of matter assembled in a certain way is localized. If a second hunk of matter assembled in a closely enough similar way is located somewhere else, there will also be a subjectivity localized at that other place. It doesn't have to transfer, it's already there." What's already there is a new subjectivity, different from the original one. You wrote: "Those conditions are sufficient for personal survival through duplication to be realized." Only if you consider survival of a different person (albeit very similar to you) your personal survival. If you do, I just hope you will not join Basie and Co. in their future campaign to forcibly spread this idea through lobotomy. Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=25582