X-Message-Number: 25629 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 08:02:10 -0500 From: Thomas Donaldson <> Subject: CryoNet #25624 - #25628 For Kennita Watson: Yes we know that lots of people who should not be are quite ignorant and dismissive of cryonics. I guess we can add the Storeys to that list. And for readers in general, it would not be wise to believe anything the Storeys had to say if it wasn't limited strictly to freezing frogs. The real blame for this article, of course, goes to its author, Elizabeth Svoboda. And incidentally, the engineer Boris Rubinsky would have done well to study previous cryobiology work. Others have done far better than he when they froze kidneys, and his work at best might be of interest for the exact cryoprotectants he used. Yes, he works at Berkeley, and people there know so much that they need not bother with anything others have done before them (perhaps I should say "most of the people there" instead. Art Quaife is now there, for instance). For Doug Skrecky: A good reference, which I have saved to read the paper myself (and thanks for not just giving a net address). I must add that we all wish to live much longer than 100 years, so your reference is just an interesting start. We know of genes in worms or flies which increase lifespans. It's of interest that these researchers have found AND verified some such genes in human beings. Best wishes and long long life for all, Thomas Donaldson Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=25629