X-Message-Number: 25816
From: "Kitty Antonik Wakfer" <>
Subject: "Cryonics Society" - Information sorely missing
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:12:28 -0700


I waited several days to see if anyone would raise questions about the "Cryonics
Society" (Kennita Watson's Message

#25810 was the only one to even hint at them,"I don't know who's involved in the
Cryonics Society"). Such questions, as

I will now ask, have always before been raised by many CryoNet posters about 
other proposals announced on CryoNet which
affect all cryonicists, and are curiously lacking here.

Who is the "we" referred to in the posted promotional message and at the very 
smoothly designed website? Is it Nick

Pavlica and David Pascal, both listed as founders and "professional 
communications consultants" somewhat buried near the

bottom of the page entitled, "I'm [sic] Already Belong To A Cryonics 
Organization. Why Should I Join The Cryonics

Society Too?" http://www.cryonicssociety.org/1st_cryomember.html  (David Pascal 
is also know as Rudi Matic, although

there may be other identities used elsewhere and no cross-reference between them
found on the Internet.)


What type of organization is the "Cryonics Society"? (By "type", I mean its 
structural and legal form: corporation,

partnership, sole proprietorship, LLC, for-profit, not-for-profit, trust, 
charitable, etc. It unfortunately is required

to have some such official form to even open a bank account. A "membership-based
organization" is insufficient for this

purpose.) Who are the officers, other than the "Public Relations Director", 
David Pascal, mentioned only as such on a

3/12/05 entry of the News blog at the same website? Where are its specific goals
and rules of operation? (A mission page

is hardly enough to describe a "society" which is recruiting people to "join" 
and pay money, nor even sufficient for a

company offering a service.) Who is receiving (and responding to) the emails and
"feedback" sent to it? What is done

with the yearly "membership" fees at the various "levels"? (For that matter, 
what is the identity of the receiver of the

monies from PayPal (and "all major credit cards accepted") and how do they get 
placed into a Cryonics Society bank

account, as opposed to someone's personal bank account.) What say do "members" 
have in the operations of this "society"?


While a professionally produced website by advertising/marketing consultants 
(Pascal/Matic and Pavlica) can be

"impressive" on the surface, without the information that is missing it is a 
shell without the substance necessary to

assess and judge. It is people who perform activities and it is they who need to
be known and assessed on knowledge,

forthrightness and past record before being considered worthy of receiving funds
from others and trusted for new and/or
continued endeavors, no matter how desirable the subject of the promises.


**Kitty Antonik Wakfer

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