X-Message-Number: 25864
From: "Kitty Antonik Wakfer" <>
Subject: Chrissie de Rivaz's Comments on "Verbosity"
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 00:11:48 -0700

> Message #25843
> From: "Chrissie de Rivaz" <>
> References: <>
> Subject: Re: CryoNet #25833 - #25839
> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:53:06 -0000
>
> For someone complaining about verbosity <Kitty Antonik Wakfar> might learn
> about the power of precis. Afraid I gave up long before I could manage
> episode two, as there was so much repetition of material previously read.
> Has he/she actually made a point here? (In one sentence please).
>
> Best Wishes,  Chrissie
> *** Please acknowledge emails, as I am having reliability problems***
> http://www.Rough-Clay.com for my latest book
>

It would appear that Chrissie de Rivaz does not distinguish between
"repetitive and wordy paragraphs" (my mere statement of the fact that
necessitated my message length which then exceeded Kevin Brown's 20k limit)
by Pascal/Matic and the precise analysis of those words. Verbosity typically
implies unnecessary words to many readers; but words - usually quite a few -
*are* necessary to reveal missing and/or misleading statements by others.
(Pascal/Matic could have supplied the answers to my original questions with
far fewer words than he did and without repetition. I didn't snip his
message at the repetitions, so as not to be later accused of "quoting out of
context" or "snipping important explanatory text". Clearly, this is an
example of "damned if you do and damned if you don't" - by one individual.)
A one sentence response could have been: "I have analyzed the "Cryonics
Society" and Pascal/Matic, and found them to be lacking in credibility and
unworthy of support at this time; trust me". These are not words to inspire
confidence as they provide nothing for the reader to substantively assess;
but then some readers of CryoNet appear not to be interested in critical
assessment.

As for Chrissie de Rivaz's insinuation as to my gender, I am and have always
been quite female. As Paul and I have made very clear at MoreLife Yahoo, we
serve as each other's editors for public and private writings - we are a
very close team (spending virtually 24 hours a day in each other's company).
The person initiating the message (post, essay, article or document) is the
author. Upon the completion of its initial draft, the other reads the item
through, making suggestions for phrasing changes, insertions of warranted
material (and corrections of obvious missing or erroneous letters, words
and/or punctuation) and deletions of extraneous items. Verbal discussion of
the material takes place during this process as a regular course. The author
of the message (post, essay, article or document) then reviews the editing
and modifies for his/her own phrasing preferences/style, sometimes with
additions. While we each may approach certain subjects from a different
angle, we do have the same fundamental viewpoint; that is, we agree on
principles and general methods. (The contents of the Self-Sovereign
Individual Project and MoreLife are the thoughts and work of *both* of us in
the manner here described.)
Oh yes, Paul will have read this message also and may find places where I
was not as clear as I could be, and will have, consequently, provided
improvements. These modifications will not remain if I do not agree with
them (rarely the case), and then only in a phrasing style that is my own.

Would Chrissie de Rivaz like to now explain what role John de Rivaz played
in her message #25843 (and her other literary works and in-person
presentations)?
In addition, I would suggest making sure of the correct spelling of a
person's name (it is *Wakfer*), unless of course the error was intentional,
which might then give one added thought regarding the motivation of the
message author.

Lastly, the closing of "Best Wishes" after what can only be regarded as a
most uncomplimentary posting to CryoNet in response to my detailed analysis
for the benefit of readers is at best disingenuous. Sincerity would dictate
leaving off such an (automatic) phrase under these circumstances.


**Kitty Antonik Wakfer

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