X-Message-Number: 2772.1 From att!ifi.uio.no!trygveb Sun May 22 15:26:46 1994 remote from whscad1 From: Trygve Bauge <> Date: Sun, 22 May 1994 21:26:32 +0200 Subject: CRYONICS battle in Nederland, useful e-mail addresses If you received this letter, please respond to and tell me if you want/do not want to be on my e-mail mailing list. I am always looking for e-mail addresses in cryonics circles, for the press, in Nederland CO and in Boulder CO. If this messages reaches you I will follow up with 2 letters regarding the attempt by local supporters in Nederland CO, to organize a refferendum overturning the town trustees emergency ban of cryonics. The local support effort is organized by Joe Vigeretto, he can be reached at Walter is taking care of the dry ice, and assisting my mother, he can be reached at : For other useful e-mail addresses see the CC: list above PS. Does anyone have the correct e-mail address for Paul Danish in Boulder? From: Trygve Bauge <> Date: Sun, 22 May 1994 21:44:57 +0200 Subject: CRYONICS refferendum in Nederland Return-Path: <> From: (Rob Savoye) Date: Fri, 20 May 1994 16:24:30 MDT Reply-To: Phone-Number: (303) 258-0506 MST X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.1.1 5/02/90) To: Subject: Press Release ! Hi again. Joe says feel free to redistribute this far and wide. Joe and I are going to the Colorado Rainbow Gathering this weekend, so I'll be offline till Sunday night. Laura Khiro says also to email her at <Colorado Hemp Initiative> while we're gone. Joe's account is , but you're better off mailing me, as I read email all day, joe seldom logs on. - rob - ------------------------------------------------------------------- *** PRESS RELEASE *** For immediate release: May 20, 1994 Contact: Joseph Vigorito 258-7892 John Lewis 258-3877 Nederland Citizens to Fight Cryonics Ban (NEDERLAND, Colorado) The Freeze Tax Waste Committee, a group of concerned Nederland residents, has proposed a referendum to over-turn a recently enacted town ordinance that outlaws cryonics in the Town of Nederland. On Friday, May 20, members of the Freeze Tax Waste Committee delivered a statement of intent to Nederland town officials which says that they plan to circulate petitions to place the referendum on the ballot. When the petition is approved, the citizens will have 15 days to collect enough signatures to place it on the ballot. Once the statement of intent is filed, the new ordinance cannot be enforced until the issue is brought to a vote of the people. Joseph Vigorito, director of the Freeze Tax Waste Committee decided to put the matter to a vote of the people because it will save the town of Nederland at least S 100,000. "Wasting taxpayer money to ban cryonics in the town is ridiculous," says Vigorito. "Putting this on the ballot will put the issue to rest once and for all." On Wednesday, May 17, the Nederland Board of Trustees adopted emergency ordinance #379. The ordinance makes it a nuisance to "keep bodies" on your property. It gives the town legal power to enforce the nuisance law and assess the cost to the property owner. The ordinance was aimed at Norwegians Aud Morstoel and her son, Trygve Bauge who are currently storing the body of Morstoel's father on dry ice in Nederland. Bauge has vowed to fight the town, taking the issue to the U.S. Supreme Court, if necessary. ### From: Trygve Bauge <> Date: Sun, 22 May 1994 21:49:43 +0200 Subject: CRYONICS, committee to overturn cryonics ban in Nederland by refferendum Return-Path: <> From: (Rob Savoye) Date: Fri, 20 May 1994 15:27:52 MDT Reply-To: Phone-Number: (303) 258-0506 MST X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.1.1 5/02/90) To: Subject: Hi from Nederland ! Hi, Joe asked me to send this to ya. I've got my own Internet connection. Feel free to consider me the Nederland email connection. - rob - Cygnus Support << KERNEL: Panic, core dumped >> Headquarters PO Box 1548 Darkstar crashes, 1937 Landings Drive Nederland, CO 80466 pouring its light into ashes, Mountain View, CA 94043 +1 (303) 258-0506 reason tatters, ... +1 (415) 903-1400 --------------------------------------------------------- Joseph Vigorito, Director FREEZE-TAX WASTE Committee P.O. Box 879 Nederland, CO 80466 (303) 258-7892 David Manzanares, Town Clerk Town of Nederland May 20, 1994 STATEMENT OF INTENT WHEREAS: The Town Board of Trustees approval of ordinance number 379 is in substantial variance with their constituency, and WHEREAS: The objections expressed have thus far fallen upon deaf ears, and WHEREAS: The Town Trustees actions will lead to 10's of thousands of dollars in legal fees, and WHEREAS: A majority of town citizens would over-rule the town board decision, and WHEREAS: It is within the power and authority of those citizens under the referendum procedure, therefore 1) Pursuant to 1-40-115 (c) this "Statement of Intent" is filed with the City Clerk/Chief Elections officer, David Manzanares. 2) The following five registered electors of the town of Nederland are to be sponsors of the referendum; a) JOSEPH VIGORITO 431 Rodeo Ct. P.O. Box 879 Nederland, CO 80466 b) JOHN P. LEWIS 49 Blue Spruce Dr. P.O. Box 934 Nederland, CO 80466 c) CHERYL GROTH 184 Hwy. 72 P.O. Box 880 Nederland, CO 80466 d) SCOTT BRUNTJEN 686 Hwy. 119 S. P.O. Box 478 Nederland, CO 80466 e) CAROL JACKS 686 Hwy. 119 S. P.O. Box 605 Nederland, CO 80466 3) To more fully clarify the intent of the organizers, See CRS 1-40-115, "protesting against such ordinance or any part thereof taking effect, such ordinance or part thereof so protested shall thereupon be suspended from taking effect, and such legislative body shall immediately reconsider the same." 4) The organizers of the referendum do hereby request the 15 day extension provided for in 1-40-115. 5) The organizers will file the signatures of 5% of the registered voters of the town of Nederland within the allotted 15 days provided for in 1-40-115. X__________________________ JOSEPH VIGORITO X___________________________ JOHN P. LEWIS X___________________________ SCOTT BRUNTJEN X___________________________ CHERYL GROTH X___________________________ CAROL JACKS Sincerely, ______________________ Joseph Vigorito ------------------------------------------------------- Joseph Vigorito, Director FREEZE-TAX WASTE COMMITTEE P.O. Box 879 Nederland, CO. 80466 (303) 258-7892 The Honorable David Manzanares Chief Elections Officer, Town Clerk W. One Nederland, CO 80466 PURPOSE: Statement of Organization, "issues" Committee May 20, 1994 Dear Mr. Manzanares: 1) Pursuant to 1-45-106, Campaign Reform Act of 1974, The Committee, FREEZE-TAX WASTE COMMITTEE, (herein after committee), do declare, effective MAY 20, 1994, a political issues committee in existence. 2) Pursuant to 1-45-103, Campaign Reform Act of 1974, under "definitions" subsection (8) "Issue" and (10) "Political Committee" further clarify the purpose of the committee. 3) To further clarify and thereby fully satisfy the requirement of "any other purpose of the committee" pursuant to 1-45-106 Subsection (2) paragraph (a), those sections referring to the purpose of the committee contained in the resolution passed by the members, dated May 20, 1994, are quoted below for the convenience of the Town Clerk: -------------------------------------------------------- Decision: "The Committee finds, that in the best interests of the members of the Committee, the electors of the town of Nederland, and the people of the state of Colorado, it is of prime importance to over-turn Nederland Town Ordinance number 379 to save town legal funds and to preserve Justice. ----------------------------------------------------------- 4) Pursuant to 1-45-106, Campaign Reform Act of 1974, Subsection (2) paragraph (b), the committee elected and appointed two initial officers; a) JOSEPH VIGORITO, Director P.O. Bos 879 Nederland, CO 80466 b) CHERYL GROTH, Campaign Treasurer P.O. Box 880 Nederland, CO 80466 5) The committee further resolved the acting address of the organization to be: FREEZE-TAX WASTE COMMITTEE P.O. Box 879 Nederland, CO 80466 6) The committee is in possession in their entirety, Articles 40 and 45 of Colorado law and declare and agree to abide by these Articles and reporting procedures contained. 7) Pursuant to 1-45-104, subsection (3) do hereby claim exemption to the reporting procedures contained in subsection (3) as aggregate expenditures at this time do not exceed two hundred and fifty dollars. 8) Pursuant to 1-45-107, an account shall be established in the near future to receive any and all contributions of the committee at a date preceding the two hundred fifty dollar prerequisite amount for combined totals of contributions and expenditures imposed and claimed for, pursuant to 1-45-104, subsection (3). X_______________ X__________________ JOSEPH VIGORITO CHERYL GROTH Director Campaign Treasurer From: Trygve Bauge <> Date: Sun, 22 May 1994 23:35:12 +0200 Subject: [: Re: CRYONICS under fire in Nederland Colorado] I got the attached letter from (I have inserted some comments) Does anyone have any information on what David Tate did with Al Campbell after he prematurely arranged to ship him out of Nederland? The tide seems to have turned, and I expect to win the battles both against the townhall in Nederland and against the INS, though both battles might still take at least another 6 months before victory is actually secured. Assistance is still very much appreciated, so that I can carry out the chosen battle strategies! >Return-Path: <> >Date: Sun, 22 May 1994 04:29:27 -0700 >From: () >To: (Trygve Bauge) >Subject: Re: CRYONICS under fire in Nederland Colorado >Newsgroups: alt.current-events.usa >Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) >X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] > >I am a freelance writer living in L.A. I write often for the L.A. Times. >If the body of Al Campbell >is in fact in Los Angeles, I think it may make an interesting >story. Please e-mail me and let me know. > >Thanks > >Mark > If anyone has more info about Al Campbell please contact >In article <2rhgr9$> you wrote: > >: --text follows this line-- > >: PLEASE POST THIS IN ALL RELEVANT CONFERENCES AND USER GROUPS! > >: GOVERNMENT BY INTIMIDATION! > >: The mayor and the trustees in the Town of Nederland originally threatened to >: forcefuly take posession of my grandfather Bredo Morstoel and Al Campbell, thaw both out and cremate them. > >: They were able to intimidate my client David Tate, into removing his friend Al Campbell. > >: I have not been able to reach David Tate the last few days and have no confirmation as to what he has done to Al after he arranged for the latter to be repackaged and shipped out in dry ice from Stapleton last Monday. My understanding is that the still frozen body, was either going to Chicago or to Bio Preservation in Los Angeles. >: The county health department has come down on our side declaring that the bodies pose no threat to the public health. >: On Monday the local newspaper took a poll that showed that 68 out of 100 people within the town of Nederland, wants the body's to stay, 30 wants them moved and 2 have no opinion. A total of 100 people were polled out of 1500 residents. >: (The town by the way has upwards of 100 bodies burried unofficially here and there, and most people don't understand why the trustees are hassling us) >: 12 people spoke out in our favor before the board of trustees, and no one in the audience spoke out in favor of banning cryonics. >: Several offered their assistance or to let us store the bodies on their properties just outside the city limits. >: The board of trustees in the town of Nederland in Boulder Colorado still passed an emergency ordinance immediately outlawing cryonics as a nuissance >: affecting all zoning classifications. They still permit cemeteries, but only with a permit and are on record as stating that they won't issue such a permit for cryonics. (Needless to say I am not planning upon applying for one either) >: The vote was 6 to 1, with Bob Howard being the only trustee on our side. >: They are fining me and my mother $300 a day for not removing my grand father >: from the dry ice box that we are storing him in. >: My attorney says the ordinance is unconstitutional, and overbroad and on its face value also outlaws the storage of broccoli and chicken fried steak! and that the town still will have to go to court to get an injunction before they can do anything. I aim at challenging any injunction the whole way to the supreme court if necessary. >: In the meantime we will be asking for an injunction against the use of the emergency ordinance, If the court supports our argument that no emergency exists, >: we will file a letter of intent to petition for a refferendum. which will immediately bring about a temporary restraining order preventing the ordinance from taking effect until a refferendum can be held on whether or not it is to take effect. >: My mother goes to trial on June 13th on trumped up charges of zoning violations >: (the trustees claim we were running a business in a residental area, while all the contracts and records show that we were running a rational religious venture, the zoning by the way permits businesses run out of private homes) >: , in the mean time townhall has locked my mother out of our house. >: Our plans to bring in more patients and upgrade to electrical freezers or liquid Nitrogen are on hold pending the outcome of the battle with the town trustees. >: To better fight the upcoming legal battles I have set up the Boulder Polar Bear Club Auxiliary as a support group to assist me and my mother in our battles with townhall and INS: Membership is a donation of $ 20 or more per year. and I encourage anyone to join! To offer your assistance contact >: our attorney: >: David Harrison >: 2305 Broadway >: Boulder CO 80304 >: ph 303-449-2830 >: fax 303-449-2198 The local committee to overturn the ban on cryonics in Nederland: The FREEZE-TAX waste committee in Nederland CO Joseph Vigorito P.O.B 879 Nederland CO 80466 303-258-7892 >: or (our dry ice replenisher:) >: Walter Goedecke >: 303-494-3348 >: his Internet address is: >: >: or me: >: Trygve Bauge >: Olaf Bull's vei 12 >: 0765 OSLO >: Norway >: Ph 011-47-22-493908 >: Fax 011-47-22-356250 /attention TRYGVE BAUGE/request that I be called at my ph# >: My Internet address is: >: In order to get a referendum going to overturn the ban on cryonics, my attorney has to go to court to get an injunction against the town trustees wrongful creation of an emergency ordinance. Case laws provided by Joe Vigorito shows that the town trustees erred in making an emergency ordinance when there was no emergency. Their objective was to use the emergency clause so that the ordinance would take effect immediately without a 30 day waiting period. Only by getting an injunction against the misuse of the emergency clause can we get a referendum going over whether ot not to kill the ordinance, thus I call upon everyone to please contribute to our legal war chest, so that we can nip the town trustees transgressions in the bud, without the need for a lengthy legal battle. >: Donations can be made to the following bank account: >: Aud Morstoel/Trygve Bauge defense account >: 106-64-85-27-5 >: Bank One >: P.O.B. 59 >: Boulder CO 80306 or directly to our attorney David Harrison 2305 Broadway Boulder CO 80304 303-449-2830 >: The following journalists have been very supportive: >: Barbra Lawlor at the mountain-ear 303-258-7075 303-258-7225 >: and Clay Evans at the Daily Camera 303-442-1462 >: Please continue to call and write townhall, the mayor and the trustees >: with your objections! >: Townhall 303-258-3266 303-444-3588 fax 303-444-0393 >: Mayor Bryan Brown 303-258-3297 303-258-7092 >: Trustees: >: Silvia Iorio 303-258-0589 303-492-8187 >: Peter Rowland 303-258-7725 >: John Tucker 303-258-7379 >: John Gamble 303-258-3937 303-443-6050 >: Bob Howard 303-258-7804 303-258-3230 (On our side) >: David Shortridge 303-258-7887 >: I expect to be back in Boulder before next year's New Year's Day swim. >: ps. Josh Poley, Tom said you had posted some e-mail addresses for me at sci.cryonics, I haven't received those, please try e-mailing them directly to my e-mail addresss here in OSLO >: Could someone at Alcor please fax my attorney a copy of the case laws/judgments from the case you won against the coroner in Riverside/ the health department in California? >: Any other case laws relevant to cryonics would be appreciated too! >: Robert Ettinger/Jim Yount, Svein will be mailing you a copy of some Norwegian presscoverage, would you have time to respond to the article that was in Aftenposten? (He has translated it for your convenience) >: And if anyone has any copy of any press coverage, please mail me a copy too. > Does anyone in Boulder have the correct e-mail address for Siri Jodhi Khalsa? or Paul Danish? I have been posting messages in the following Internet conferences: sci.cryonics sci.life-extension alt.current-events.usa I am considering posting messages in alt.visa too Any other suggestion for relevant user groups I can use to reach more people? From: Trygve Bauge <> Date: Mon, 23 May 1994 00:54:25 +0200 Subject: CRYONICS, ERRONEOUS press coverage etc. The press in Colorado and the press in Norway did get most of their facts straight by interviewing me directly, but the press elsewhere made a mess out of the story. I am trying to rebut any errors pointed out to me, so please pass such on to my e-mail address. e.g.: >[: frozen Norwegians vs. brain-dead mayor] >Return-Path: <> >From: >X-Mailer: America Online Mailer >Sender: "WalkerBill" <> >To: >Date: Tue, 17 May 94 15:48:14 EDT >Subject: frozen Norwegians vs. brain-dead mayor > >I received the following post from a friend: >>Did you see the newspaper story on the former Trans-Time employee? A >>man stored two of his relatives in a freezer and was >>discovered by police. >>The man was deported because he was a Norwegin(sp) >national. > > Is this you? Are you really deported? What else can we do for you, besides >trying to reason with the mayor & council (fat chance)? Are you raising >funds for a legal fight? > > --Bill Walker > >P.S. Sorry about the unconstitutional actions of American elected officials, >but I'm afraid it's more the rule than the exception. In response to the above let me say: The bodies were not discovered by the police, I have routinely sent out press releases about my cryonic facility, witness the many articles in The Immortalist over the years, at least one Denver talk show host or his assistant subscribe to the Immortalist, and called to have me on the air back in February. In the end of February I sent out a press release to all the main press outlets in the Denver area, announcing the creation of the Rocky Mountain Life Extension center and the fact that we had two people on dry ice and were planning to upgrade to an electrical freezer this last spring and later upgrade to liquid nitrogen. I included a copy of my standard contract offer as well as a copy of the contract I have with David Tate, and there was a map showing how people could find the place. Some of the local press mentioned my cryonics venture in general terms while reporting on my battle with INS. Then suddenly 3 months later the INS illegally deports me, my mother gets kicked out of our house and the story is spread that 2 bodies are discovered in a shed! I still am trying to sort out who did this to me and why! The two people on dry ice were my grand father Bredo Morstoel and Al Campbell. The latter was a friend of my Client David Tate. The original plan called for David to ship Al in packed in an electrical freezer. David actually bought the elctrical freezer and got it delivered in Chicago, but found out at the last moment that he had made wrong meassurements of Al, and that Al was 2 inches too wide to fit in the freezer. The freezer was returned, and we used dry ice as an emergency solution until a larger electrical freezer could be ordered. The townhall's intervention and David's removal of Al has now postponed any upgrade to a colder electrical freezer until I can fight off townhall. Dry ice is not cold enough to stop the molecular break down, and needless to say it is urgent for me to fight off the townhall so that I can attract more cryonic patients and thus afford to upgrade to electrical freezers or liquid Nitrogen. I was not deported based on my cryonic activities, but because I have pissed off the I.N.S. by organizing a political battle to close them down! I also started a petition drive last January to have the local INS director and deputy director fired. The INS, however, wrongfully issued a deportation order in violation of my due process appeals rights. And when they arrested me they refused to let me near a phone. If they had let me call a lawyer or the federal court I could have stopped the illegal deportation by petitioning for a writ of habeas corpus and a stay pending the outcome of my appeal to the US Supreme Court. The Immigration and Naturalization service knew this, and gave strict orders to all the holding facility guards, not to let me near a phone at any cost or for any reason. They made a token attempt at playacting a phone call after 3 days, just 1/2 an hour before they carried me onboard a plane. (It took 6 men!) While detained I repeatedly invoked the right to call my lawyer, the court, the consulate etc. I told the INS that it was important that I get to call out so that I could arrange for someone else to add dry ice. The I.N.S. officers thus knew about my cryonic activities, but still refused to let me call out. Luckily the local newspaper had listened in on the radio band when I got arrested, and had written a small article the next day. Jerry saw this and called the INS and was told that I did not want to speak to anyone! Jerry knows me better than that, and called the Consulate and they showed up, but weren't of much help. The most important thing people can do for me is to spread the word, and keep calling and writing the town trustees and the I.N.S. with objections, and also support my attorney and the group in Nederland that is working on getting a refferendum going to overturn the town trustees. My attorney will also be working on getting me back to the United States. Monetary donations or other donations of labor towards our legal battle is also welcome. My attorney's name and address is David Harrison Miller, Hale and Harrison 2305 Broadway Boulder CO 80304 ph 303-449-2830 FAX 303-449-2198 My address is TRYGVE B. BAUGE Olaf Bulls'vei 12 0765 OSLO Norway 011-47-22-493908 FAX 011-47-22-356250 (please tell TV NORWAY to notify me at my ph #) email: Our bank account in Boulder is 106-64-85-27-5 at Bank One P.O.B 59 Boulder CO 80306 The committee to overturn the ban on cryonics in Nederland is: FREEZE-TAX WASTE COMMITTEE Joseph Vigorito P.O.B. 879 Nederland CO 80466 303-258-7892 You can reach him through his friend Rob Savoye: We have also set up a Boulder Polar Bear Club Auxiliary for anyone interested in assisting me in my battles against Townhall and the I.N.S. Walter Goedecke is in charge and can be reached at 3210 Darthmouth Boulder CO 80303 303-494-3348 From: Trygve Bauge <> Date: Mon, 23 May 1994 01:02:42 +0200 Subject: [: Message to Nederland] Thad faxed a brief to the point message to Townhall in Nederland, please fax something similar to townhall FAX # 303-444-0393 >Return-Path: <> >From: >Date: Mon, 16 May 1994 20:06:52 -0600 >Apparently-To: > >paranet >Received: by paranet.FIDONET.ORG (mailout1.26); Mon, 16 May 94 01:20:30 mdt >Date: Mon, 16 May 94 00:53:17 mdt >Message-ID: <> >From: (Thad Smith) >Subject: Message to Nederland >To: >X-Mailer: mailout v1.26 released > > >Trygve, >I sent the following, via fax, to Nederland. I used the often recommended >principle of keeping it short, sweet, and to the point. May 16, 1994 To: Nederland Town Trustees: Mayor Bryan Brown Silvia Iorio Peter Rowland John Tucker John Gamble Bob Howard David Shortridge From: Thad Smith Re: Trygve Bauge's Cryonic Facility I request that you allow Trygve and his mother to use the cryonic facility on their land. Properly maintained, the facility does not pose a hazard to anyone and should be allowed to continue its normal operation. I trust that you will see the issue as a simple one of rights to one's property and let Trygve, his mother Aud Morstoel, and their friends continue to maintain the facility on their land. Respectfully, <signed> Thad Smith III 2001 N. 75th St. Boulder, CO 80301 --- msged 2.07 * Origin: Prairie Dog Run [Boulder County, CO] (1:104/89.3) -- Thad Smith - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: ====================================================================== Inquiries regarding ParaNet, or mail directed to Michael Corbin, should be sent to: Or you can phone voice at 303-429-2654/ Michael Corbin Director ParaNet Information Services From: Trygve Bauge <> Date: Mon, 23 May 1994 01:06:48 +0200 Subject: CRYONICS [: Message to Nederland] Thad Smith faxed a brief to the point message to Townhall In Nederland, please fax them something similar. Their fax # is 303-444-0393 >Return-Path: <> >From: >Date: Mon, 16 May 1994 20:06:52 -0600 >Apparently-To: > >paranet >Received: by paranet.FIDONET.ORG (mailout1.26); Mon, 16 May 94 01:20:30 mdt >Date: Mon, 16 May 94 00:53:17 mdt >Message-ID: <> >From: (Thad Smith) >Subject: Message to Nederland >To: >X-Mailer: mailout v1.26 released > > >Trygve, >I sent the following, via fax, to Nederland. I used the often recommended >principle of keeping it short, sweet, and to the point. May 16, 1994 To: Nederland Town Trustees: Mayor Bryan Brown Silvia Iorio Peter Rowland John Tucker John Gamble Bob Howard David Shortridge From: Thad Smith Re: Trygve Bauge's Cryonic Facility I request that you allow Tryve and his mother to use the cryonic facility on their land. Properly maintained, the facility does not pose a hazard to anyone and should be allowed to continue its normal operation. I trust that you will see the issue as a simple one of rights to ones property and let Tryge, his mother Aud Morstoel, and their friends continue to maintain the facility on their land. Respectfully, <signed> Thad Smith III 2001 N. 75th St. Boulder, CO 80301 --- msged 2.07 * Origin: Prairie Dog Run [Boulder County, CO] (1:104/89.3) -- Thad Smith - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: ====================================================================== Inquiries regarding ParaNet, or mail directed to Michael Corbin, should be sent to: Or you can phone voice at 303-429-2654/ Michael Corbin Director ParaNet Information Services From: Trygve Bauge <> Date: Mon, 23 May 1994 05:50:32 +0200 Subject: CRYONICS IN NORWAY The publicity in Norway has consisted of at least the following: Repeated Tv coverage on tv norge, tv2 and tv4 radio coverage on radio 1 and NRK ukeslutt Repeated newspaper coverage in Dagbladed, Bergens Tidende, Verdens gang, Romsdals budstikke and Aftenposten, and a wire story by Norwegian Telegram Bureau. As far as I can tell, everything was positive with 3 exceptions: I debated one ethisist on the radio, his main concern was that if cryonics succeeded there would be no more sorrow in life, and he couldn't stand such a loss, I responded that I would much rather be happy! A half brother of my grand father was interviewed and lamented the fact that my grand father was not given a chance to rot away. I didn't think it worthy a reply. Aftenposten interviewed a few scientists who said that cryogenics worked for individual cells and that serious research are being done on finding a way to freeze organs for transplants, but that revival of whole human beings didn't yet work and that they knew of no serious research on the latter, one of the scientists didn't think cryonics would work, and others wouldn't rule it out. Aftenposten then used a headline saying : Cryonics is humbug! The other press outlets have been much more indept in their coverage, and much more understanding of the reality of what we are offering and are trying to accomplish, and the reasons why people want to be frozen now before reanimation becomes a workable reality.. Svein called me and mailed me a few articles and asked me to pass these on to the news papers so to set the record straight. and I have started doing so, in the process answering a few general questions they had about him and his involvment in cryonics. Svein translated the article in Aftenposten and faxed you a copy. We should send you the 8 full pages from Dagbladet, including full front page in Color. Dagbladet tracked down a local supplier of both dry ice and liquid Nitrogen the company EIVA is a distributor for Norsk Hydro, and has outlets all over the south eastern part of Norway. It is open 24 h/day 7 days a week! Trond Maarvik is distribution leader for Oslo he can be reached at p.o.b. 47 Bryn 0611 Oslo Smallvollveien 44 0667 Oslo ph 011-47-22 651700 fax 011-47-22-651880 mobile ph 011-47-94-304534 private ph 011-47-64-931614 Trond remembered me from the suspension of my grand father, and I think Svein bought dry ice from him too! People recognize me all over the place here in Oslo and I get serious and positive questions from people on the street. No negative feedback from anyone on the streets. One TV station, one radio station and at least one news paper are trying to get me to promise that I will set up a cryonic facility here in Norway while here. I will let it be up to Svein, if he wants to go public and help organize it I might consider helping the locals set up a cryonic support group. Long life, Trygve From: Trygve Bauge <> Date: Mon, 23 May 1994 06:03:14 +0200 Subject: CRYONICS re:Al Campbell On Al Campbell: My contract with David Tate states clearly that all information provided me regarding Al would be made available to the press. Furthermore David Tate stated to me that he was the sole legal guardian of Al, and that Al's mother had signed over to him the legal guardianship and that though the family might not know what he was doing, they apparently had given him free reigns. I still think it was premature of David to move Al out of Nederland, taken into account that my attorney and I already had made it clear that the city couldn't do anything without a legal injunction, and the city's attorney had already acknowledged the same. And that she had adviced the city to try to stay out of court. The city is not likely to get an injunction, and if they try we will fight it all the way to the supreme court. And even if they got an injunction we are likely to get a stay pending any appeal. Furthermore town trustees has acknowledged in private conversations that they don't want to thaw out anyone, but are trying to find a way to save face. So keep up the pressure on them, they are on the defensive! Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=2772.1