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From: "John de Rivaz" <>
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Subject: Re: #28193: Emerging Infectious Determinants of Chronic Diseases
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:23:33 +0100

In http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/dsp.cgi?msg=28193 David Stodolsky quoted:
>>>
Evidence now confirms that noncommunicable chron-
ic diseases can stem from infectious agents. Furthermore,
at least 13 of 39 recently described infectious agents
induce chronic syndromes. Identifying the relationships can
affect health across populations, creating opportunities to
reduce the impact of chronic disease by preventing or treat-
ing infection. As the concept is progressively accepted,
advances in laboratory technology and epidemiology facili-
tate the detection of noncultivable, novel, and even recog-
nized microbial origins. A spectrum of diverse pathogens
and chronic syndromes emerges, with a range of pathways
from exposure to chronic illness or disability. Complex sys-
tems of changing human behavioral traits superimposed on
human, microbial, and environmental factors often deter-
mine risk for exposure and chronic outcome. Yet the
strength of causal evidence varies widely, and detecting a
microbe does not prove causality. Nevertheless, infectious
agents likely determine more cancers, immune-mediated
syndromes, neurodevelopmental disorders, and other
chronic conditions than currently appreciated.
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I think this says that apparently trivial infectious diseases can leave
victims in a condition that causes them to develop chronic and serious
illnesses later in life.

This is something I have surmised for a very long time. It is nice from the
point of view of "me being right" to see this validated by learned research,
but of course it is also a case of "my worse fears confirmed".

A few years ago I started a web site and associated Yahoo Group to encourage
the extermination of the Noro Virus (aka Norwalk, or winter vomiting
disease) in the same manner smallpox has been eliminated.

the article http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/noro_virus/message/179
suggests that infection of children with this common easily spread illness
can cause kidney damage. Other articles in the group suggest that many
people are too lax with preventing the spread, such as going to work or
using public transport whilst infectious. Fortunately there are military and
economic advantages from a solution to this problem, and there is a lot of
money available for research. This disease will go, with or without my Yahoo
group. However it is interesting to follow the discussion there by both
lawyers and virologists. Here the legal profession may well offer some
benefit by rattling a few cages to encourage solutions to be found more
quickly.

There is, of course, a contra point of view that has deeper roots in history
that "a bit of suffering is good for you". This has been translated into the
idea that if the immune system is presented with no challenges, it turns in
on its body and produces allergies or autoimmune diseases.

It is likely that both concepts are correct, ie life is a matter of checks
and balances.

I suggest the correct way forward is
1. Eliminate common infectious diseases
2. Engineer a solution to the allergy and autoimmune problem, by for example
introducing known harmless viruses and bacteria which produce no symptoms
and have no long term effects to exercise the immune system. (Maybe this is
why yogurts and similar products are beneficial?)

Although this relates to long healthy life, it is not directly related to
cryonics (the subject of cryonet - preservation of people at death as
legally defined so this if future science can restore them to healthy life,
it can). Therefore I recommend further discussion in

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LongevityReport/

Readers interested in the related subjects are referred to

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/noro_virus/

http://www.cryonet.org

there is no charge for any of these.

-- 
Sincerely, John de Rivaz:  http://John.deRivaz.com for websites including
Cryonics Europe, Longevity Report, The Venturists, Porthtowan, Alec Harley
Reeves - inventor, Arthur Bowker - potter, de Rivaz genealogy,  Nomad .. and
more

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