X-Message-Number: 29275 Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 13:15:38 -0500 From: Keith Henson <> Subject: Several replies At 10:00 AM 3/8/2007 +0000, Shannon Vyff wrote: >So my bubbly red headed eldest daughter, Avianna, >proudly headed to her Texas elementary school today >with a very awesome shirt. The black shoulders, with >white body, kind of a 70's sport style, with blue >words on the front saying 'Cryonics Is Very Cool'. >She told me she's explained to kids that cryonics is >not cryogenics-before, and she can't wait to get into >discussions over her shirt. I used to have a button (lost in the moves probably) that said " Cryonicists stay stiff longer." That's probably a bit much for an elementary school. :-) snip Kennita Watson wrote: snip >Charles would certainly not be the first person who >comes off differently in person than in email. I have commented about this for at least a decade (though--best I can remember--never about Charles). >Seems >somebody somewhere must have gotten a master's thesis >out of this by now.... If someone *did* want to investigate it, doing fMRI studies on people who display similar vs highly divergent personalities in written vs in person would be the way to go. I expect you would see areas of high activity in different brain locations for similar verbal/written tasks in the divergent ones. Jeff Davis wrote: snip >Now to the matter of the "millions of cryonics customers hiding in plain >sight". > >Third person sales. To those about to lose a loved one. The set of >all such people. These are known as "last minute cases" and constitute a significant percentage of those in suspension. Perhaps CI and Alcor could be persuaded to give a percentage. Such cases have caused a disproportionate amount of problems as well--for reasons you can list as well as I can. Now if the cost of suspension could be reduced to that of a modest funeral, some of the problems would go away. But the cost of suspension seems more likely to go up than down. snip >It is my view that any person -- Mother, Father, Husband, Wife, Son, >or Daughter -- desperate to save a loved one, has the highest possible >level of motivation and the lowest concern regarding embarrassment or >cost. And when the grief wears off, the most motivation to cause trouble for the cryonics provider. There is a long history which you might want to look into. snip >When I last dealt with this: >Message-Number: 10435 >Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 15:04:47 -0700 >From: Jeff Davis <jdavis@**************.com> >Subject: selling cryonics > >Dr. Ettinger began his response, in message #10446, with: > >Jeff Davis' piece on selling cryonics (Cryonet # 10435) has generated some >criticism, much of it sound--especially the parts about ambulance chasing >etc., an absolute no-no. > >"...ambulance chasing... an absolute no-no." > >I won't be coy. The implication is clear. If you go "ambulance >chasing" after hurting, desperate, vulnerable people who are suffering >the imminent loss of a loved on, who can doubt you will bring down >upon yourself the mother of all shitstorms? > >But that's where the demand is. snip >It is easy to IMAGINE how an ambitious outreach program of this sort >could get energetically harrowing, even lead to catastrophe for the >cryonics venture. But if you step back from the unbounded nature of >fear wedded to imagination, the REALITY might conceivably be a battle >that is winnable. > >Perhaps it's not yet time for so aggressive an approach. But sooner >or later this fight will have to be fought. Best think about it and >be ready. You might be right, on the other hand there might never be such a time. The point where a majority of people realize cryonics is good chance to the point they quit dying from medical advances might be only a few months. It might even overlap the other way. Keith Henson Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=29275