X-Message-Number: 30113
From: "Chris Manning" <>
References: <>
Subject: Re: red wine and other things
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 11:40:51 +1100

I posted several comments about the article, but the replies have all been 
on the one I thought was the least important. I take it my other points are 
correct, or well-received? CI doesn't do head-only suspensions, Ted 
Williams* either was not decapitated, or opted for head-only suspension, in 
which case it is his head, not his body, which is now suspended, and my 
argument about progeria has some merit?

* Australian readers: I almost wrote 'Ted Egan'! Make of that what you will.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "CryoNet" <>
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Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 9:00 PM
Subject: CryoNet #30103 - #30109

I wrote:

> I took up drinking red wine a few months ago. I have heard/read so many
> people claim health benefits for moderate consumption of red wine that I
> think it must be true.


David Stodolsky replied:

> This isn't a valid basis, as anyone following the WMD debate up to
> the Iraq War knows.

I don't know what the Iraq War has to do with it, and I realise it isn't 
scientific proof.

> One glass a day is the limit and that is only justified if you suffer
> from low HDL cholesterol. A women should take a folic acid supplement
> to avoid an increased risk of cancer. See Willett 2001 for details.

The claimed health benefits were for moderate consumption, and one glass a 
day is moderate consumption.

I am male, so I'll pass on Willett 2001. I haven't had my cholesterol level 
tested but I will arrange that next time I visit the doctor.


Bruce Waugh replied:

> Chris, you can't drink enough red wine.  You need to take resveratrol,
> as the study leader David Sinclair does.  It has twice been a topic on
> Charlie Rose.  See, for example, the first 20 minutes of this:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxM6efhHe_A .

Ben Best replied:

>   This says more about the popular enthusiasm for red
> wine rather than the health benefits. You can get resveratrol
> from grape juice, but this is rarely mentioned. To get an
> amount of resveratrol to match the amounts in David Sinclair's
> overfed mouse experiments you would have to drink 300 glasses
> of red wine.

I will have a look at the link when time permits. I think various health 
benefits were being claimed, but I don't remember exactly what they were. I 
do know that they didn't mention resveratrol, which I have never heard of 
except in the cryonics community.

Comment: That is an awkward name and I am surprised that it doesn't get 
called 'reservatrol'.

Ben continued:

>   According to an expert quoted by the Life Extension
> Foundation, red wine now contains only about one-tenth
> the amount of reservatrol as was formerly the case,
> because of the use of pesticides.

This would not be the case for 'organic' red wine. 

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