X-Message-Number: 3084 From: Subject: CRYONICS Re: Quantum Reality Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 14:09:20 -0700 (PDT) Steve Harris <>: [...] Given the blasted lunar > landscape appearance of electron micrographs of even the most > carefully and quickly perfused and frozen animal brains at the > present time, I have some doubts that these criteria will be met > for humans who are preserved even under the best and fastest and > most expensive standby and transport protocols now used in > cryonics---let alone in humans allowed to lie around warm for > hours after death, perfused haphazardly by inexperienced > morticians, put on commercial airliners without special hurry, > and finally flown to some nameless firm's door for freezing at > their convenience. While I agree with Steve that using mortuary technology is inappropriate, I dispute that cryonics firms (who *have* names and reputations) do suspensions when it is convenient for them to do so. If you know of any organization that employs such practices, Steve, I do wish you'd enlighten the rest of us. As for delays in commercial flights, and getting a suspension team to the patient before he/she has been pronounced, well, these are problems that ALL organizations big or small must contend with, it's not something unique unto any one organization. > > Yes, I know that Dr. Ettinger disagrees. I understand that he > is actually about to bet his own identity on the matter, by > arranging to subject his own brain in the not too distant future > to man~ana-style cryonics in Arizona, before shipment to > Michigan. <sigh>. [deleted] Personally, I'd prefer to have my brain subjected to "ma¤ana-style" cryonics in Arizona as you refer to it, as opposed to a "Kervorkian-style" suspension in Rancho Cucamonga!! If you want to apply a greater degree of risk to your suspension that's your business, but I think those who count on their organization to get them through to the future would be well-advised to do otherwise. Ever forward, David -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Cosenza PGP 2.3a Public Key available by finger _or_ ftp.netcom.com:/pub/dcosenza PGP 2.3a Key fingerprint = BF 6C AA 44 C6 CA 13 3F 4A EC 0A 90 AE F3 74 6D "When encryption is outlawed, only outlaws will have encryption." Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=3084