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From: "John de Rivaz" <>
Subject: Transplanted frozen liver raises hopes of organ 'bank' - New ...
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 15:36:14 +0100

Transplanted frozen liver raises hopes of organ 'bank'
is the title on the web page


http://www.newscientist.com/channel/health/mg20026764.000-transplanted-frozen-liver-raises-hopes-of-organ-bank.html


This said a pig's liver was kept at -20C for half an hour and then warmed and  
re-implanted in another pig and shown to work before the second pig was 
exterminated and the liver dissected and cells were shown to be alive.


I am very dubious about the scientific value of this demonstration (although I 
am no expert).

I see parallels with


http://www.newscientist.com/channel/opinion/death/mg15120492.900-technology--frozen-heart-comes-to-life.html
where the same magazine trumpeted Olga Michelle Visser's demonstrations.

only to be followed by

http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/dsp.cgi?msg=16561

whose author said " I can say with ease that in my 30 plus years of 
involvement in science I have never personally seen so clear-cut and 
unambiguous a case of fraud." Also see
http://www.cryocare.org/index.cgi?subdir=ccrpt10&url=visser.html


The most recent experiment may well be done with the most honest of intentions, 
but nevertheless the flaws look similar.

-- 
Sincerely, John de Rivaz:  http://John.deRivaz.com for websites including
Cryonics Europe, Longevity Report, The Venturists, Porthtowan, Alec Harley
Reeves - inventor, Arthur Bowker - potter, de Rivaz genealogy,  Nomad .. and
more

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