X-Message-Number: 31539
From: Mark Plus <>
Subject: Re: the immortalist Bible and cryonics
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 08:52:12 -0700

In Cryonet #31530, David Stodolsky writes:


>In other words, there will be a Personal Emotional Reaction (Kogan et al., 
2007). That is, thoughts of death will be suppressed from awareness. This is a 
way of not dealing with the issue at all.


Skeptics argue that cryonics avoids "dealing with the issue" as well, given all 
the seemingly unlikely things we depend on to make this work. 


>This Personal Emotional Reaction will stop all, except atheists/agnostics, from
making any kind of rational decision.


Atheists and agnostics who concede that cryonics could work often just come up 
with the same weak objections to it that everyone else does: Future Alienation, 
lack of "closure" when someone goes into the dewar, arcana about economic 
discounting, etc.


Robert Ettinger must have encountered these kinds of people 40 years ago, 
because in "Man Into Superman" (1972) he complains about the sort of guy who 
"wants immortality, all right, but he wants
it on a silver platter. It is not life he objects to, but effort and risk.
Far from being stoic, or resigned, or well- adjusted, or complacent, or mature,
or philosophic, or self effacing, or altruistic, or any of the other dignified
things he pretends to be, he is merely myopic and nervous."



"Around 2010 the world will be at a new orbit in history. . .  Life expectancy 
will be indefinite. Disease and disability will nonexist. Death will be rare and
accidental -- but not permanent. We will continuously jettison our obsolescence
and grow younger." F.M. Esfandiary, "Up-Wing Priorities" (1981).
http://www.box.net/shared/static/ay9lub60ha.pdf
http://www.scribd.com/doc/10948503/Up-Wing-Priorities


Mark Plus



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