X-Message-Number: 31677
Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 14:07:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: Phil Ossifur <>
Subject: Note to AntiCult

I posted the following to AntiCult
http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?12,64749,page=15


Anticult-- Just for perspective, you need to be aware that the science fiction 
feelings are based on hard evidence that some organic tissue can indeed be 
cryopreserved and then made to function again. The principle has been 
demonstrated in bull semen for years for example. The idea behind cryonics is 
that our memory, personality and mind is embedded somehow is perservable and 
reanimatable brain structure. The cryonics option is based on "freeze, wait, 
reanimate" because despite our not knowing if we have "captured" the mind or 
cognitive data with cryonics, we're hoping we are-- and only future tech will 
confirm or deny our thesis. 


The way in which cryonicists feel that they have to present cryonics and 
"defend" it from "me", for example, is in no way related-- theoreticall-- to the
valid component of cryonics. Cryobiology studies provide a fair basis for the 
first look at cryonics. 

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=cryobiology&btnG=Google+Search


Cryonics merely extends cryobiology to the human brain and human cognitive 
function. As an anti-cult leader, it would be useful for you to confine your 
critique of cryonics to the cult-like conduct of cryonicists, but to keep the 
validity or questions about validity of the thesis itself in a separate 
category. I'd like to see cryonics "cleaned up" of its cult component-- but it 
doesn't do me any good to witness an anti-cult forum attack the THESIS of 
cryonics-- which is pure and unadulterated in its composition as a thesis. In 
any case, I would hope you would make it clear which aspect of cryonics you're 
pointing at as invalid, carefully. The science of ultra low temperature 
biology-- might actually have some functional demonstrable experiment awaiting 
us-- say the preservation of some frontal cortex neurons of a newly legally 
deceased individual that could theoretically be transplanted with fresh neuronal
stem cells into a new individual with some

 positivie effect. Like any tech, abuse can occur-- however with the idea of 
 human dignity foremost in our minds, we might make some positive advance. 


FD  has seen me here and is claiming that I "associate myself with you"-- and 
Cold Filter has not approved my counter post in that regard...



http://www.network54.com/Forum/291677/message/1242426850/The+%26quot%3BMeritorious%26quot%3B+%26quot%3BAnti-Cryonics+%26quot%3BAnti-Cult%26quot%3B+Forum


I represent a UNIQUE persepctive in cryonics-- so unique that cryonics groups 
have banned me across the board. When you attack the cryonics thesis itself, it 
makes more trouble for me. I'm being suppressed beyond belief. And now I'm being
painted as associating with you... and you're obviously anti-cryonics-thesis as
well as anti-cult-cryonics-- so it's just snowballing as one big mess. This 
will be my last post here-- because I can't afford to have this type of 
mischaracterization and off-point posting and association go on anymore. 


It's kind of interesting, from my perspective, to stand on a point where not a 
single Earth bound human being shares my valid persepctive. Mark Plus used to 
talk about the positive aspects of being a well-differentiated person. I guess I
am that... but it creates unique problems too, not the least of which is 
attacks by Mark Plus-- who said earlier he ADMIRED self-differentiation!! 


To other readers-- I am not associating with Rick Ross and the cult forum-- I 
merely have found an audience for documenting the attacks on me by Cold Filter 
posters and CADC/SDC... which documents actually make it to google blogsearch 
under keyword cryonics no less!!! - but I have made my point sufficiently now-- 
hopefully this post will be approved and I would now take permanent leave-- 
since I'm not in favor of attacking the cryonics thesis itself-- which I 
consider to have validity. Thank you for your consideration. 


It really is hard work being highly differentiated. I almost would not advise 
it... and would recommend that it's easier to be "part of a cult". Just 
kiddding. 


[I'm publishing this to Cryonet because AntiCult does approval only posting and 
it may take a day for this to be posted there-- sometimes my message is not 
posted at all-- as with Cold Filter). 

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