X-Message-Number: 3218 Date: Thu, 06 Oct 94 20:09:58 From: Steve Bridge <> Subject: CRYONICS number of suspension patients To CryoNet >From Steve Bridge, Alcor October 6, 1994 In reply to Art Quaife: Message: #3215 - Patients in suspension From: Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 14:34:36 -0700 >In message #3186, answering "How many people are in suspension," >Steve Bridge writes ... "I believe that the American Cryonics >Society is responsible for about 10 patients, and that >Trans Time has separate responsibility for 2-4 patients." > >Actually, Trans Time is currently maintaining 9 patients in >suspension. (We also have 7 pets, and other tissue samples). >The American Cryonics Society has 0 patients in suspension; >that is not a service they provide. (One of the patients we >are maintaining is under contract with ACS, while another is >under dispute.) >Art Quaife, President >Trans Time, Inc. No insult was intended and my wording was meant to be very precise. My approach was not to discuss which long-term care organization had which or how many patients. Instead I chose to answer from the point of view of the organizations that have legal custody. This makes it easier not to double count the patients. Note, please, that I also did not mention CryoSpan which is caring for (at least) two patients, but which does not have the legal custody of them (that custody is held by a separate non- profit organization). No insult is intended toward CryoSpan either. My numbers were merely meant to reflect that ACS has custody of (and legal responsibility for) a certain number of patients, which may currently be in the care of organizations like Trans Time. In addition to those, it is my understanding that Trans Time has *separately contracted* with some small number of patients who did not make arrangements through ACS, and who would still be Trans Time patients if ACS in the future should transfer their patients to other caretakers. I hope CryoNet readers will pardon a certain vagueness about the numbers and relationships here. This is based on three factors: 1. I don't have all the answers. 2. Some of the answers may be confidential, even as to numbers; so I don't wish to accidentally make a statement that compromises some patient's confidentiality. 3. Relationships change. Some of my previous knowledge as to which organizations house which (and how many) patients may be incorrect. I would like to get a precise number of current suspension patients, preferably by organization of legal custody, since with the various sorts of "unbundling" and "uncoupling" going on, legal custody is much less likely to change in the future than is physical location. Alcor has 27 patients. Cryonics Institute has 13 patients. I would like someone from ACS to fill in this blank: American Cryonics Society has custody of ? patients (no matter where they are housed). Would Art Quaife then please fill in this blank: Trans Time has custody of ? patients (that is, those patients that are not the legal responsibility of ACS or some other organization.) CryoCare is new and hasn't had any suspensions yet, and the International Cryonics Foundation also has no patients that I am aware of. So the above numbers should equal the current patient population (unless we wish to count individuals stored under marginal conditions on dry ice or in home freezers). If I am missing anything here, please let me know. Steve Bridge Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=3218