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Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 09:42:58 -0600
Subject: Re: CryoNet #32280 - #32283
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From: Mathew Sullivan <>


>Most cryonicists are religious and fall into the camp of Atheist or
>Theist. What's
>unfortunate is that some cryonicists who are Atheist are judgmental against
>Theists, but that is also true for some of those who are religious
>throughout various societies.  I'm in the minority position of Agnostic.  I'm
>also a Transhumanist and a die-hard cryonicist, but I don't see any
>disconnect, at least not for me.  Through science and technology, I can
>envision having many bodies and a virtual extension of myself, which are all
>interconnected.


I would like to point out that everyone is judgmental. We can't help
it. Even by being "non judgmental" you are making a judgement about
the worth of all other opinions.

A lot of people like to think they are "taking the middle road" in
being an agnostic, but as an agnostic and an atheist I must point out
that being an agnostic doesn't mean you aren't an atheist or a theist.
It means you believe the question of whether there is a god is
inherently unknowable. It's a position on the availability of
knowledge, not a description of belief(or non belief) of deity.

Every agnostic(every person actually) is either a theist or atheist.
You either have a belief in a god or you don't.

I'm a transhumanist as well and like you I do not see a conflict with
cryonics and uploading, both of which do not violate any physical laws
and sit firmly in the arena of "technical challenge". It seems to me
that as computing technology and scanning technology advances it will
become obvious that it is cheaper and safer to scan a cryopreserved
body and store the data. I have yet to see a valid argument against
uploading.


-- 
Your friendly neighborhood agnostic atheist
and reality based hope monger

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