X-Message-Number: 32477
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 22:21:47 -0700
From: Kitty Antonik Wakfer <>
Subject: Message Ratings (Still) being Abused

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Some individuals are still attempting to keep certain posters from being 
read in the CryoNet digest by using "Flamebait" and "Abuse" in ratings 
of messages. These 2 rating types appear to be able to either override 
other scores or, by themselves, send a poster into filtered "Siberia".

I'm baffled by what criteria the parties (?just 1? I still can't figure 
out Kevin's algorithm) decided that 3 of Luke Parrish's posts deserved a 
rating of "Abuse" 1.0 - other than wanting to see Luke Parrish's posts 
not included in the Digest. I don't know anything about Luke Parrish at 
all, but I do conclude that these posts of his are *not* abusive of this 
mail list. 

It appears that as a result of the 1.0 Abuse rating on Luke Parrish's 
first post, his 4th message (Dec 9 2009, #32199) was filtered out of the 
Digest. The other ratings showing for the first 3 messages were either 
not there at the time or were (by Kevin's algorithm) insufficient to 
balance out an Abuse rating of 1.0.
Luke apparently got back into the digest after that (others went back 
and scored him sufficiently positively) and all was well until #32211, 
#32297 got a "Flamebait" of 1.0 each (?!) and  #32388 & #32402 get an 
"Abuse" of 1.0 each (??!!)  So when Luke submitted message #32475 it was 
filtered out of the Digest for 3/10/2010 ......
And these last were even after my message (#32342) about rating abuse 
directed towards Melody Maxim....?!?... (I've now gone back to Luke's 
messages and rated them highly.)

And "speaking" of Melody, her 3/8/2010 post # 32461 still got a 
"Flamebait" scoring of 2.0 (along with other scores of Excellent, Good, 
Informative & Interesting) - 
http://cryonet.org/cgi-bin/dsp.cgi?msg=32461  I see *nothing* in her 
post (or any of Luke's either) that is "with the intent of provoking an 
angry response (a "flame") or argument over a topic the troll often has 
no real interest in" (from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flamebait ).

What I do see is that certain CryoNet mail list recipients are doing 
their darndest to keep Melody's messages - and it appears Luke Parrish's 
too - out of the digest. The continued anonymity of all these ratings 
perpetuates this abuse of ratings - and almost certainly even encourages 
such ratings from those who would likely never post a well thought out 
and well written critique of anyone's writings. This situation does not 
reflect well on CryoNet as a (supposed) forum for the discussion of the 
subjects that are part of or effect the cryopreservation of humans, eg 
cryonics.

I will send this message to Kevin Brown also (separately), with the 
request that he reexamine his algorithm for abuse potential - something 
I am confident that he never intended but is happening even with this 
actuality having been brought to the forefront recently. I am urging 
that others who see this use of the rating system as detrimental to the 
purposes of CryoNet - and even abusive - to send their own message to 
Kevin, or simply forward this one to him with a personal note. Send to 
"" with "cryonics" in the subject line.

 
**Kitty Antonik Wakfer

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