X-Message-Number: 3438 Date: 7 Dec 94 07:08:36 GMT From: Subject: CRYONICS This is a little out of date, and I have no idea of the level of truth involved. It showed up on one of my mailing lists and I thought the cryonics list might find it interesting. Two-three years ago Eric Kline made a number of acusations about Alcor--which were eventually refuted (at great cost) by an audit. Keith Henson PS, appologies if this has already gone by and I missed it. > From Wed Aug 3 11:12:35 PDT 1994 > Article: 17449 of alt.privacy > Xref: netcom.com alt.privacy:17449 > Path: netcom.com!netcomsv!decwrl!spool.mu.edu!cass.ma02.bull.com!soda.BErkeley.EDU!nobody > From: (Tommy the Tourist, Anon User) > Newsgroups: alt.privacy > Subject: OCEANIA GETS SCREWED! > Date: 28 Jul 1994 20:47:23 -0000 > Organization: Bull Worldwide Information Systems. > Lines: 65 > Sender: > Distribution: world > Message-ID: <> > NNTP-Posting-Host: cass.ma02.bull.com > Status: RO > > > From CompuServe's Libertarian Political Issues Forum > > > Subject: #216752-Oceania? > From: Scott A. Kjar 70402,3124 > To: L D Weller 71011,1743 > > It turned out to all be a scam, actually. The key people involved, Eric > Kline and Chuck Geshlieder, allegedly had a scheme set up where they > repeatedly paid themselves out of all of the proceeds. It apparently went > something like this: > > 1) Donations came to Oceania. Kline and Geshlider, as principals, got > paid a portion. > > 2) Oceania then contracted with The Gold Standard Press, owned by Kline > and Geshlider, to do printing. Kline got a share as the sales rep. > > 3) Gold Standard Press then printed fund-raising letters for Oceania. > Kline and Geshlider split the profits, as partners in Gold Standard. > > 4) Oceania sent out more fund-raising requests. > > 5) Donations came to Oceania. (see #1) > > It fell apart when Kline and Geshlider allegedly accused each other of > fraud, and Geshlider apparently took his case to the Nevada State Attorney > General's Consumer Fradu Division. (Poor Chuck, there were no consumer's > in this transaction.) What is amazing about all of this is that The Gold > Standard was an ILLEGAL business (no business license) and Chuck had been > hauled before a judge a few months ago on this very charge. He allegedly > threatened to beat her up in the parking lot (something he has threatened > to virtually everyone who has ever met him), and then skipped town for a > couple of weeks. The people at the Attorney General's office apparently > were astounded that Chuck, who is knowlingly running an illegal business, > and is not keeping any records the IRS might get hold of, is complaining > about his business partner and co-conspirator about a scam. After all, > there are NO Gold Standard Press records, and there are NO Oceania > records. (It turns out that Kline was simply writing checks Pay To The > Order of Cash, and then using the cash to cover his reversals in the Stock > Market.) > > Eventually, their need for cash apparently outstripped the rate at which > suckers were sending them money, and like hungry wolves, set upon each > other. > > GOOD RIDDANCE! > > p.s. I know both of these jerks personally. We have tried to throw them > out of the LP in Las Vegas for several years. Like counterfeit money, > they just keep turning up! > > > ------------ > To respond to the sender of this message, send mail to > , starting your message with > the following 7 lines: > :: > Response-Key: ideaclipper > > ====Encrypted-Sender-Begin==== > MI@```$!S^P;+]AB?X9TW6\8W2:NP&2&04%GSR=BW]`^+`=)MFOA[ER>?SK)G > 8$I$XG.1&][YD$P&3*E2?3N6*&SLZ:_5^ > ====Encrypted-Sender-End==== > > Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=3438