X-Message-Number: 3988 From: Trygve Bauge <> Subject: Neuro yet or not? Date: Sat, 11 Mar 1995 23:51:08 +0100 (GMT+0100) Brian Wowk asked about why I hadn't converted my grand father to neuro yet. It all has to do with my rational behind the freezing of my grand father. Basically I want to be alive as long as possible, and then be frozen under the most ideal circumstances. I figure I have another 50 years or so to improve upon the routines involved. When my grand father died I suddenly had the opportunity to freeze someone, and I jumped on that apportunity, thinking that by getting involved I could find out what the obstacles are, so that I could do my best to improve the situation so that my mother later could be frozen under even better conditions, and I myself eventually could be frozen in the most reversable fashion. Obstacles certainly exist: family oposition, distance, timing, financing, government intervention, maintenance crew quality, safety routines, you name it. Since I am kind of sentimental about my body and want to be frozen in full body myself, and since I look upon a full body suspension as offering more means to do research on and more means to draw upon for reanimation purposes, I have taken it as a challenge to see if I can maintain my grand father in full body suspension. On a technical level, we only know how to clone embryo cells so far, Other cells though they carry the complete DNA, are still specialized, some genes are turned off and other genes are turned on. And I don't know anyone yet that can reverse the gen imprinting and clone any adult cell. However some cells are less specialized than other cells and it is likely that we might find a way to grow complete bodies from one specialized cell group or another long before we learn to do so from brain cells or head cells. For example the precursor cells to sperm and egg cells, (the spermatagonien cells) are quite unspecialized, the gen imprinting has been set back close to zero and the cells are still diploid, so maybe these are the adult cells we would be able to grow whole new bodies from the first? On the other hand even these cells have some imprinting: they are set to split in two sperm cells or two egg cells, so we still have to do some manipulation for it to work For the above reasons you might want to freeze other cells than just the head, and rather than sampling every cell group, it was easier to freeze the whole body.. There might be many other reasons for why we would need some specific cell group or the whole body, thus I prefer to go for full body suspension as long as possible. In my grand father's case I still hope to get him into full body suspension in LN2 again as soon as possible. As soon as I can find a facility that permits full openness with the press or as soon as I can build one in Nederland Colorado or elsewhere. trygve -- *** BUY: "The JOYFUL LIFE EXTENSION manual" by For a licensed copy of the full manual send $20 +your email address to: Trygve Bauge, Olaf Bull's vei #12 Apt. #229, 0765 Oslo, Norway. To look at samples before buying: http://www.powertech.no/~trygveb/ Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=3988