X-Message-Number: 4030 From: (Thomas Donaldson) Subject: Re: CryoNet #4014 - #4022 Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 09:28:54 -0800 (PST) Ho hum. To Mr. Clark: I said " Two OBJECTS can perfectly well agree without the existence of a convention." Well, is the fact that two atoms of carbon agree in their number of electrons and protons a sign that there must be a convention? If so, tell me where. If not, go back and fix your definition. For that matter, what about the question I asked about trees and earthworms? Since even human beings count as objects then human beings agree also. We somehow all (or almost all) have the same number of eyes, fingers, toes, limbs, our brains are all in the same location in our bodies, our ears hear very much the same range of sound, ... there are many agreements. Where was the convention which led to all this agreement? When did it happen? WHO made it? As before, you illustrate in what you say how critical this issue of defining a "symbol" turns out to be. Best wishes, Thomas Donaldson Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=4030