X-Message-Number: 5731
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 14:05:12 -0600 (CST)
From: Anthony Garcia <>
Newsgroups: sci.cryonics,sci.life-extension,talk.politics.libertarian
Subject: Re: Death (was Donaldson MR and Miss Hindley)
References: <> <4fn8g7$>

Regarding your malicious comments posted to sci.cryonics:

Cryonics is a purely private activity.  No cryonicists I am aware of
are seeking or proposing use of government funds.  Furthermore, the
practice of cryonics does not entail theft, murder, fraud, or any
other form of trespass.  Therefore you, your government, and your
laws can go *mind your own business.*

Mr. Ettinger has successfully dismissed[*] your silly assertion that
cryonicists are suffering from "death phobia," so I will not bother to
address that.
[* http://www.access.digex.net/~kfl/les/cryonet/5723.html, for those
not on the Cryonet mailing list.  Should be up in a couple of days.]

What mainly bothers me about your comments is that you apparently think
that the private resources (wealth, equipment, etc.) of cryonicists
and private cryonics organizations are *yours* (or your government's)
to do with as you will.  They are *not*.

    Garret Smyth <> writes:
    |> Okay, what are the grounds for making cryonics illegal? (Remember - by 
    |> your own definition that such grounds would be politics, not law.)

    You responded:
    Yes, quite.  They are the same grounds for banning most recreational
    drugs, many activities (especially sexual) and so on.  The grounds
    are mainly of the form that the social attitudes and behaviour
    associated with such things cause indirect harm to society.  

"Harmful To Society."  This concept is the boon friend of every two-bit
tyrant and kneejerk authoritarian that has ever existed.

This elevation of "Society" to a prime value, to which every man is
expected and forced to bend his knee and surrender his liberty, is
a *fraud*.  It is an excuse for control and subjugation.

Nick, you apparently take the position that your Government, or any
government, somehow speaks for and acts upon the "collective goals" of
"Society."

This is a pernicious lie.  Government speaks and acts for itself, and
only itself.  The quaint notion that Government acts on behalf of
"Society" is a convenient excuse that allows it to increase its control
over the lives and property of its subjects.  And every person who
advocates this notion--such as yourself, Nick--is a scoundrel and
an enemy of free humankind.

Nick, go take your "bans" and practice them upon yourself.  Leave
other people (and their property, and their private, peacable
activity) alone.

-Anthony Garcia



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