X-Message-Number: 5817 Date: Sat, 24 Feb 96 16:19:26 From: Steve Bridge <> Subject: Mac on telekinesis To CryoNet >From Steve Bridge February 24, 1996 In reply to: Message #5804 Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 13:19:26 -0600 (CST) From: N E U R O M A N C E R <> Subject: "Paranormal" reasoning (Mac Tonnies) Mac, that was the wrong set of arguments you came back with. While the tone of some of the replies was pretty hostile, you managed to miss the main -- and totally reasonable -- point. In your initial post on the subject, you stated that telekinesis was an established fact. Everyone asked you to supply some references or evidence to that effect. You completely ignored that essential step and only made arguments of the sort that indicated we shouldn't have dared to disagree. Mac, haven't you noticed that when *cryonics* is questioned or something disbelieving or insulting is said about it, we provide references and summaries of *what the evidence IS*, instead of just trading trivial insults? (OK, we may ALSO trade the insults; but we still provide the facts.) One bit of quote from you will show the problem: > I think it's unreasonable to devaluate a particularly emotive > field of research such as so-called "paranormal" phenomena because > proof has yet to be revealed in the manner of superconductivity > (to pick an example at random). Most people were not particularly upset that you or others might want to *look for* some evidence for telekinesis. They were upset that you claimed it was *already* proven fact. Yet here you say it's "proof has yet to be revealed." Until someone proves that there is something there to study, you might as well state that the phenomenon of "Fairie Civilization in England" has yet to be revealed. If you want anyone to pay the least attention to you in this forum, you have to provide some facts; and you have to show SOME connection of telekinesis with cryonics, I would hope. CryoNet is not (in general) set up to speculate about all of the neat things that might exist in the world or even in the future. It is about something already real -- cryonics DOES exist, whether it turns out to be "valuable" for us or not. We don't have to prove that methods exist to freeze humans or even that people are being frozen. We just have to prove that the technology is good for something (hopefully, good for the very reasons we are doing it!) and that we can come ups with ways to make it workable, affordable, and otherwise practical. On the other hand, you are one step back further. You have to prove your subject even exists. You haven't done much to convince us so far. Maybe you should try some *private* e-mail for that purpose before you try to start discussions on what it might be good for in the future. If you can't convince any of us privately that the subject even exists, there isn't much reason to pursue it on CryoNet. Stephen Bridge, President () Alcor Life Extension Foundation Non-profit cryonic suspension services since 1972. 7895 E. Acoma Dr., Suite 110, Scottsdale AZ 85260-6916 Phone (602) 922-9013 (800) 367-2228 FAX (602) 922-9027 for general requests http://www.webcom.com/~alcor Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=5817