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Newsgroups: sci.cryonics
From:  (hEpCaT)
Subject: Re: Timothy Leary Renounces Cryonics
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Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 16:53:40 GMT

On 8 May 1996 06:02:40 -0400  wrote:
> David Cosenza wrote:
>
> > What readers of sci.cryonics may or may not know is that Platt posted a 
> > memo to the cryonics mailing list () yesterday to the
> > effect that BPI had refused Leary services
>
> Cosenza is misquoting me. I said no such thing, as he is well aware.

Platt's original message #6143 can be retrieved via Kevin Brown's 
auto-forwading mechanism, and I urge interested parties to seek that message
for confirmation of what Platt said and what happened.

> > And Platt 

> > wonders why Leary was so alienated that he called him up and let him off the
> > hook? 
>
> Leary was not alienated; he said he hoped we could remain on good terms,
> and he invited me to drop in and see him later.

But as the story unraveled on the CryoNet between yourself and Arel 
Lucas (a close friend of Tim's) you were not be allowed admittance 
to the house and she was unwilling for whatever reason to get you in. If
Timothy in fact said these things to you, I'm sure his friends will see 
things differently when you just try to barge in there. You blew this one 
Charles, now is the time to take responsibility for what happened.

> I didn't wonder anything;
> it is very clear to me why Leary has lost interest in cryonics, which
> seemed a fun concept in the past but now has morbid implications that are
> totally out of place in a home where everyone is trying to sustain a
> feelgood atmosphere around the process of death. 

Hardly. I think that their "feelgood atmosphere" was spoiled by Mike's 
nastiness, and is the REAL reason that CryoCare and BPI will not be 
suspending Leary. It's insulting that you are so emotionally bankrupt 
that you cannot face up to what REALLY happened.

> I remind David that Leary formerly quit from Alcor, and has now made it
> clear that he's not interested in joining ANY cryonics organization,
> including Alcor, despite pleas from close friends who are Alcor members.
> Why is this, David, if your organization is so superior to mine? 

Because Timothy is most likely sick of dealing with people who are openly 
contemptuous of him and his freinds. He probably has the misconception 
that we are all the same all and all, and that just isn't true. You can 
only push people so far before they give up-- god knows I almost have 
dozens of times.

> > It looks like my (once called paranoid) fears have become reality-- that a 
> > cryonics group dedicated to the preservation of life would refuse to serve 
> > people just because they got frustrated with family and friends. 

> A total and deliberate mischaracterization of events.

I really think that folks should scan the CryoNet archives archived on 
www.cryonet.org for the truth. The exchange between Platt and Arel was 
very revealing and made it clear that there were in fact some personal 
problems involved. Platt himself told Arel that he begged her to help him 
create a bridge between the fun loving people in that house and the tight 
assed martinettes at BPI and CryoCare.

> > this is consistent with the time that I had requested paperwork from them 
> > just so I could compare what they had with what others were using, and 
> > Platt himself on the CryoNet authoritarily told me that *he* didn't think 
> > I was really interested and that being the reason given that I never 
> > received copies of their paperwork that I would have even paid the 
> > postage to get.

> Yes, I chose to conserve our funds by not bothering to mail free
> literature to David Consenza. I think this was a wise decision.

I would have paid for the postage if you had wanted it, but I got the 
material from another source.

Ever forward,

David

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