X-Message-Number: 6391 From: John de Rivaz <> Newsgroups: sci.cryonics Subject: Re: Humans use [religion] to remain sane in the face of death; myself, I use cryonics Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 11:01:37 +0100 Message-ID: <> I have crossposed this from <alt.atheism.moderated> so that other readers of sci.cryonics can join in the debate there if they wish. In article: <4q7rcl$> (Dave Sill) writes: > Cryonics Myth #23: It Costs a Fortune > > Fact: The going rate for neuropreservation is about $50,000, and it's > typically funded by an insurance policy that costs a <40-year-old man > in good health about $35/month--much less than a pack-a-day smoking > habit. > Actually it costs a lot less than that if you go with the Cryonics Institute. They charge $28,000 for a full body, and you can py by insurance and also by a trust. My recomendation is to buy a term policy for say 20 years and to invest a fixed sum every month for 20 years. At the end of the 20 years your fixed sum every month will provide the 28k and probably more. You may recall the mention of technological advance in this thread. You can use that to pay for your suspension. Invest your monthly payments into a unit trust or mutual fund that specialises in technology stocks. Over ten or twenty years you will see a 15 to 20% compound growth. The Cryonics Institute don't guarantee to keep prices constant, but they have over the past decades and therefore in real terms they are falling. If you invest $1000/yr into the technology fund, work out how many years at 15% growth it will take to get to $28k. After another couple of years (to allow for market fluctuations - investments can go down as well as up) you can cease the term policy! Now suppose I am wrong about the growth of technology. Not very likely I kow, as scientists see so far because the stand on the shoulders of giants, ie past advances. If I am wrong your investment will do badly, but then cryonics is unlikely to succeed. Therefore if I am wrong you will not be there to observe it. Therefore I cannot be wrong!!! Using technology investment, the cost for a young man to arrange cryonic suspension is negligible, because he can use his intuition about technology to fund the bulk of its cost. $100 at 15% compound will grow to $28k in 40.3 years. That is a single investment of $100, never mind monthly payment. A child enthused by cryonics could do this! And technological growth may well be more than 15% compound over 40 years. In article: <> (Jim Perry) writes: > I'm quite capable of believing some day we'll have the > technology to do all sorts of neat medical stuff including reviving > corpsicles, but I find it a much greater stretch to believe that any > future society is going to consider it a good investment to revive > people who had themselves frozen in the early 21st century People down the ages will be going into cryonic suspension. The last to be suspended will be under the best technology, so they will be the first out. They will have friends in the preceding batch to be suspended, and these in their preceding batch and so on down to Bedford, the first man to be suspended. Also humans are, from an government authoritarian point of view, quite irrational in preserving individual life. From a collective viewpoint perserving individual life is counterproductive. It weakens the gene pool and the Darwinian selection process. Dogs, for example, instinctively pass each other diseases, by sniffing and licking each others' faeces. This strengthens the species by reducing, by extermination, the reproductive ability of those with poor immune systems. Unless humans develop a Nazi viewpoint that caring for the sick is bad, they will revive cryonicists when possible. So far all attempts at introducing national socialism have failed and it is likely that they will fail in the future. In article: <4qb74n$> (Niall McAuley) writes: > > (Dave Sill) writes: > >Cryonics Myth #23: It Costs a Fortune > > > >Fact: The going rate for neuropreservation is about $50,000, > > *cough* HOW much ? Think what your kids could do with 50K ! > Instead of selfishly squandering what *is* a lot of money > at infinitesmal odds so that you might exist in the future, > why not invest this money in some project to improve that > future for your descendants ? > > >To lump > >cryonics--a technology requiring nothing but continued technological > >improvements of the magnatude we've seen for the past 100 years--with > >religion--an irrational belief in the supernatural--is unconscionable. > > I agree. Religious people sincerely believe the comfort they offer. > Cryonics is just a con job, ripping off the estates of those they > have suckered. Money for old rope. > ----- > Niall > Surely this argument extends to any expenditure. Thereofre no generation spends anything and hand it down to the next. You may as well say "we won't take a cruise on retirement because we feel the compuslion to hand the money down." Cryonics is not "money for old rope". Before you can make this statement you need at the very least to read <sci.cryonics> for a while and see how hard the providers of cryonics services work, often as volunteers. Better still, visit a cryonics facility. If cryonics was a government regulated medical procedure, it would be twenty times as expensive. -- Sincerely, **************************************** * Publisher of Longevity Report * John de Rivaz * Fractal Report * * details on request * **************************************** In the information age, sharing can increase world wealth enormously, because giving information does not decrease your information. http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/JohndeR Fast loading, very few slow pictures Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=6391