X-Message-Number: 643 Subject: CRYONICS - ACS vs. ALCOR From: (Edgar W. Swank) Date: Fri, 07 Feb 92 12:11:50 PST This is a response to Message #629, posted by Brian Wowk, where he writes: For the record, Timothy Leary has given explicit written permission for his Alcor membership to be made public. He has also given numerous public talks about cryonics and life extension. I am mentioning this because it is imperative that people understand Alcor officials will never reveal a member's identity without explicit permission of that member (not even to other Alcor members). Fine, glad to hear it. In contrast, it is not clear what the policies of ACS are in these matters. Avi Ben-Abraham is not just a friend of Muhammad Ali; he is also an ACS officer (president). It would be very interesting to know whether Ali really did give permission for his name to be publicly associated with cryonics. I think ACS has similar policies. I know the sign-up kit has a form which either gives or withholds permission for ACS to publicize the details of a suspension. Since Ali is not (yet? as far as I know) an ACS member it's not likely he has signed any formal permission. However, I had the chance to speak to Avi Ben-Abraham and show him Whitaker's message & my response. He confirmed that he is a close personal friend of Muhammed Ali and felt confident that Ali would not object. Hopefully this will put the Ali controversy behind us. Although I was a founder of ACS and am still a suspension member, I am not an official spokesman for ACS. Any ACS member or prospective member concerned with privacy should discuss the matter with an ACS respresentative. As to why relations continue to be poor between Alcor and ACS, a few of the many reasons can be found in this same article ("Playing tag with death", Peninsula Times Tribune, Dec. 29, 1991): Ben-Abraham was reluctant to discuss his physics work, which he said is classified top secret. The results, which he said laid the foundation for the Strategic Defense Initiative technology, led to (his) nominations for Nobel prizes in physics and peace. Now, the dark-eyed 34-year-old prepares to advance science 500 years within his lifetime. How does ACS expect Alcor members (or any intelligent human beings) to read this B.S. and not be incensed? --- Brian Wowk Well, I'm in no position to be able to either verify or refute the above. I also have no way of knowing how much of that is embellishment by the journalist. It may not be as incredible as it sounds. Avi Ben-Abraham is an undoubted genius. You probably already know he is mentioned in the Guinness Book or World Records as the youngest person to graduate medical school. It's also a fact that he has many famous and powerful (politically) friends, including Presidents Reagan and Bush. In any case, I see no reason for anyone to be "incensed", really. Avi's alleged contributions to SDI really have very little to do with cryonics. Let me close with some excerpts of a post to Extropians by Mr. Whitaker: Date: 04 Feb 92 19:42:33 EST From: "Russell E. Whitaker" <szebra!CompuServe.COM!71750.2413> To: Extropians <gnu.ai.mit.edu!extropians> Subject: Civility post Mark II ... I like to believe I can convince others to share my outlook. I have NEVER convinced anyone of the validity of my views by couching my arguments in belligerence. Never. ...There was once a time when I would burn down the intellectual homesteads of those with whom I disagreed, and salt the ashes among the smoking ruins. This left the inhabitants _very_ unhappy, and they sometimes came a' gunnin' for me. This was short-term thinking. I paid for it. Lost friends - people with whom I had no fundamental disagreement. Lost opportunities - I paid the costs of satisfying my intellectual/emotional time preference. ...If you are a _serious_ immortalist, you should consider that a great many here will be around for a long, long time. You WILL meet us. Think about it. Sounds like good advice, Mr. Whitaker. Why don't we ALL try to follow it. -- (Edgar W. Swank) SPECTROX SYSTEMS +1.408.252.1005 Silicon Valley, Ca Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=643