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From: David Stodolsky <uunet!tellab5!mcvax!diku.dk!stodol>
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Subject: CRYONICS
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CRYONICS
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I have caught up with the Cryonics Mailing List by 
reading items 1 thru 53, and I'm glad to see 
cryonics is now on-line.

However, in other ways things do not seemed to 
have changed that much since my earlier 
involvement with the movement. In 1977 I had a 
letter published in what was then called _Long Live 
Magazine_ on the topic "Politics of life extension" 
(the exact dates and details are in stored files). It 
was answered by Thomas K. Donaldson, who stated 
he was not interested in changing society, but only 
in his personal survival (apologies for the 
paraphrase).

Now I read that ALCOR personnel have been 
dragged off in handcuffs, computers were 
confiscated, the case is being handed over to a 
grand jury for possible murder indictment, the FBI 
refuses to investigate the theft of e-mail, the State 
of Cal. refuses to issue permits for receipt of human 
remains, etc. So the Life Extension Movement has 
finally been forced to face the question of politics. 

As has been stated earlier, Cryonics operates in a 
grey area of the law. There are two ways in which 
laws are made (clearer). First, by legislation being 
passed, an obviously political process, second by 
legal actions that create precedents. This usually 
require someone to tried for a "crime", and is also 
quite political when there is a real precedent being 
set. Failure to take the first route, leads most often 
to the second. Since, in the first case the protagonist 
defines the issues has plenty of time to organize, is 
not faced with jail, big legal expenses, loss of 
credibility, etc. it would seem preferable. The 
second case gives the opposition the advantages of 
surprise, agenda setting,.state power and resources, 
etc.

Beyond the questions of forming the law, is the 
question of administration. While not directly 
stated, it has been intimated that because the 
coroner is an elected official (most often not 
specially trained), incompetence is common and 
therefore political selection is not desirable. Must 
earlier mistakes be repeated? So far the ALCOR case 
has cost over $100,000 and there is no end in sight. 
This in a case where the coroner's department is so 
obviously incompetent that the newspapers treat it 
as a source of material for humorous articles. What 
situation would ALCOR be in if someone competent 
(and hostile) had the position? Would it have cost 
$100,000 for one of the very competent people 
sympathetic to cryonics to win an election against 
the apparently incompetent and corrupt current  
office holder? Did anybody even contest this 
coroner's election? If not I think the Life Extension 
Movement has learned a lesson the hard way. 
Consider the political problems likely to develop 
when cryonics is taken seriously enough to be seen 
as a threat to the status quo. Is the Life Extension 
Movement going to be ready to challenge the 
Church and the State when the time comes? If this 
is to be done (or avoided) successfully, the Life 
Extension Movement will need to have some strong 
social structures well in place.

There are apparently 16 people in suspension at 
this time and this is after maybe 40 suspensions 
have taken place. The culprit has been inadequate 
"arrangements". This means a failure of the 
organizations or the other social-political-economic  
conditions surrounding these suspensions. While 
the discussion of long lasting organizations is one 
topic for this list, I have seen nothing of a scientific 
nature. The physical procedures for suspension are 
being developed rapidly, but this is not where the 
most important problem lies if we look at the 
history of Cryonics. [Has anybody (else) considered 
suspension systems that could take care of 
themselves for 50 or 100 years? This would be a 
technical advance likely to be of REAL value, 
because it compensates for a current social 
weaknesses. Maybe we could learn something from 
ancient Egyptians. They didn't understand 
physiology, but they built massive social and 
physical structures using BOTH to protect their 
"patients".]

A recent study of the rise to power of the Social 
Democrats in Sweden (they have formed the 
government there for something like 57 of the last 
60 years) found that a strong organization was the 
key to achieving political power. I have been 
studying how an organization can be strengthened 
using computer-based cryptographic protocols for 
communication, voting, etc. I have argued that this 
type of structuring is most valuable where power is 
based on organizational credibility (I will post a 
summary of a conference paper separately). This 
seems applicable to the problems of the Life 
Extension Movement these days, and for some time 
to come, I would guess.

What I propose is that research be initiated using a 
list like this as a base for constructing a "journal". 
This journal could be elaborated into a mechanism 
that fulfils the information distribution function for 
an organization. The software developed could be 
used by Life Extension Movement organizations 
both to to enhance their own credibility and protect 
themselves from penetrations by hostile agents. 
Some comment in this direction have appeared on 
the mailing list. "[Christopher Fry] mentioned that if 
he (personally) had a billion dollars to spend, he 
would spend it on information access . . . (CML35)"

What is needed is about three years of support for 
a couple of people to put this in motion. A lot of the 
software needed is closely related to current 
products in commercial development. If we can 
influence or contract with some of the companies 
currently active in cryptography, to include certain 
features at an early stage, we can get a good return 
for invested capital. 

How can one apply for funding that is apparently 
available for research supporting Cryonics? 

Recent events have shown that the Life Extension 
Movement can not depend upon a government to 
protect its data, its credibility, or its people. If we 
want these protections, we must build them into 
the organizations and their information systems. 
Let's not wait for next round of lawsuits which 
could well drive Cryonics organizations out of 
existence.

I really don't want to have to say, "I told you so," in 
another 12 years.

David Stodolsky                          diku.dk!
Department of Psychology                       Voice + 45 1 58 48 86
Copenhagen Univ., Njalsg. 88                    Fax. + 45 1 54 32 11
DK-2300 Copenhagen S, Denmark                         

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