X-Message-Number: 6884 Date: 12 Sep 96 04:22:07 EDT From: Paul Wakfer <> Subject: Prometheus: Alcor/CI/Visser Announcement Bob Ettinger has now made it clear in CryoNet Message #6873, that the leadership of both Alcor and CI wish to "compete" with the Prometheus Project, a Project which has been forthrightly non-partisan from its beginning, and which they were both sincerely invited to take part in. It is good to have things out in the open, and at last, know where we stand in relationship to each other. The announcement is doubly welcome because it puts the focus of this forum back to research where it belongs. However, the Prometheus Project is, and will remain a non-partisan project of cryonics and life-extension *individuals*. We have no desire or purpose in any "competition" with any cryonics organizations. As stated before, the Prometheus Project is, and will remain open to all scientific approaches to the achievement of first reversible brain cryopreservation and next whole-body Suspended Animation, including the "Visser method". Let me remind readers that no arrangement need be made with Alcor/CI/Visser or anyone else, in order for the Prometheus Project to fully use her methods, or any others for *research* purposes. We welcome further information about Ms. Visser's research and any additional research that she does, with or without the support of cryonics organizations. At the same time, we wish to make it clear that without detailed information about what she has (and is) doing, we cannot assess her accomplishments or plans. Because of this lack of information on the "Visser method", and the much more fully published and unpublished information from a highly credentialed cryobiologist concerning the current state of vitrification research, the weight of scientific evidence and credibility still compels us to treat vitrification as the prime candidate for the scientific method of the Prometheus Project. We remain completely open to change if/when more complete information on the "Visser method" is forthcoming and when it is shown to be extendable to both large organs and those with different cell types. We encourage Visser/Alcor/CI to reveal the details of their research plans so that we and others may assess their value. What has been given so far is inadequate to form either a scientific, or business opinion of its overall value. -- Paul -- !!!!! REVERSIBLE BRAIN CRYOPRESERVATION *CAN* BE ACHIEVED IN 10 YEARS !!!!! Paul Wakfer email: Voice/Fax: Pager: US: 1220 E Washington St #24, Colton, CA 92324 909-481-9620 800-805-2870 Canada: 238 Davenport Rd #240, Toronto, ON M5R 1J6 416-968-6291 416-446-9461 (Currently in California) Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=6884