X-Message-Number: 7399
Date: 01 Jan 97 18:54:11 EST
From: DOLINOFF <>
Subject: Re # 7392 and # 7388
# 7392. Mr SMITH :
Take it easy and please remain polite.
1. Vous n'avez rien a faire avec la SOCIETE CRYONICS
DE FRANCE ;
2. Vous ne pouvez pas me donner des ordres ;
3. Vous vous interesserez aux lois sur la
cryogenisation anglaises ou europeennes.
# 7388 Mr DE RIVAZ :
I inform you willingly that the Minister who has
written on april 24, 1968 (not 1966 as I have mistakedly written) the law
against the human cryogenization is Mr JEANNENEY, under the presidence of the
General De GAULLE, of which he was a supporter, and to the Party of which he was
belonging.
I can precise that the policy of the Medical
Authorities is to "preserve" (as they tell) the human organism in two ways : it
is authorized to administer only drugs and remedies that are therapeutic
belonging the physicians ( of course, the Phase I of a cryogenization is
considered as not at all therapeutic) to a corpse not yet arrived into the state
of irreversible biological death. You can administer sedative drugs or induce
under hypothermia (all this is clearly stipulated in the law), as well as make
an autopsy or take organs, only to a corpse of which ALL the 4 described
different tests including a "sufficient" delay of flatness of the EEG have
proven to a group of three physicians out of which a Professor Manager of
Service (and at the exclusion of any physician intending to practice the Phase I
or an autopsy, or to take an organ), that the told corpse is arrived into the
state of irreversible biological death of the brain.
This is made to "preserve" any living man against medical acts not aproved by
the medical authorithies.
And the second way is to preserve the told
living men against the dangers issuing fron the corpses. It is why we are
obliged whithin 7 days or to burn or to bury a corpse. But we have the right to
embalm it provided it be for a limited time.
Now, there is no law stipulating that a
retired can only be refounded for sedative drugs, but there is worse. Every
physician can decide whether he orders such or such partly refounded drug or
not, or if he practices such or such a surgery or does not. For example, for
the retired, a desobliteration of the sub-clavian artery is made only if the
interested man is otherwise in a robust health. If he is not, he can have the
surgery, but provided he pays all its cost by himself. But if I am not wrong,
similar dispositions do exist in the U. K. and in Sweden, at least. And now
that the french Social Security has an increasing and increasing deficit
despite all the measures taken, this wil become worse and worse : only those in
good health will be cured when old. The others will have to pay by themselves.
You are right : the same who have legislated against cryonics are the same that
now, under CHIRAC, a member of the Party founded by the general De GAULLE and
who only tell he continues the policy and the wit of the General, take the
dispositions (not precise laws, but the result is the same) against the medical
help to the elderly.
But they are gaullists. I dont understand what has nazism to
do with that nor what he has of common with the laws as well as those against
Cryonics and those concerning the limitation to the medical help to the elderly.
But I see that I
have 4 items to add :
5. The policy of
the SOCIETE CRYONICS DE FRANCE is to let know the aim of the Cryonics Movement
in France and to help those who want to be stored in the cold to travel to the
States when alive. On this account, I would be glad to renew my documentation
about the different american companies.
It is also to thoroughly study what hopes have the cryobiologists to
bring back to life a frozen human organ. It is why I read each day CRYONET and
keep under a printed presentation the half of all the messages since the
beginning. I read also several periodical Bulletins and intend to renew my
subscription to CRYOBIOLOGY.
6. This policy is
established by a Committee totalling 6 people of which I am the President. In
our by-laws, my role is to PUT INTO APPLICATION the policy decided by all. But
I add that fortunately, we are all the 6 totally unanimous in all respects. If
ever I ceased to do what I am ordered to, I would immediately lose my title of
President. But it happens that since 1968, all the members of our Committee are
very satisfied how I represent them and by what I am doing, despite I know there
are between them communists and gaullists, of what we never tell. More : our
by-laws stipulate that it is not debated during our meetings of subjects as the
politics opinions, religious opinions nor racist ones. We only study and
discuss all the aspects of the human cryogenic suspension for the others as well
as for ourselves.
7. Thus, I am
cooperative, but have orders only from every member of our Committee and MUST
apply them. But I accept orders
F R O M N O B O D Y E L S E.
Absolutely NOBODY out of the 6 members of the Committee of the SOCIETE CRYONICS
DE FRANCE can give me an order; nor ask for explanations what about our policy,
nor discuss the French laws, nor, especially, some nervous foreign gentlemen.
8. Having
nothing to add and having better to do than to continue such sterile
discussions, I shall no more debate into CRYONET of the French affairs nor those
of our SOCIETE.
Privately, with
individuals I am free to chose - yes, and thank you.
Anatole
DOLINOFF
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