X-Message-Number: 7527
Date: 17 Jan 97 17:55:38 EST
From: Mike Darwin <>
Subject: "Member Down Detectors"


I'm extremely happy to see the posts from Joe Strout and Billy Seidel addressing
the practical aspects of creating a "member down" system.  The system Joe
describes is especially interesting as it seems to have excellent sensitivity
(and we have an old Mac lying around).  BPI also happens to have three clients
who need such a system _urgently_.

Kennita asked how the system would know if you left your house.  I long ago
posted an answer to this question and I have given a great deal of thought to
several other design features the system should have:

1) The system can "know" if you leave your house in the same way any home
security system "knows" when you are gone.  You simply have to turn it on when
you come home and off when you leave.  Anyone with a home security system
quickly gets into the habit of doing this.  In this case when the member enters
the house there is a beeping tone to remind him or her to turn the system on
which continues beeping until it  IS turned on it (the reverse of the usual
situation with intrusion alarms).

A second way the system can "know" if you are on the premises is to use a
necktag or bracelet with the kind of detector used in retail outlets on
expensive items to deter theft with sensors on all entrances/exits to the

dwelling.  This gets a lot more expensive, but may be justified in the confused,
elederly or noncompliant patient.  

2) Unlike home security systems where you have to enter a numerical code or use
a key to turn it on or off, the member down system can use a large push-plate
type on-off switch which is simply pressed upon entering or leaving.

3) The system should have a time-delay relay which sounds a local fairly loud
(volume must be adjustable for the hearing impaired!) tone if it detects no
motion (i.e., member in arrest) BEFORE it dials out for help.  This way, if
there IS somebody on the premises they are alerted to the problem first, and if
the system has failed or the member has been very quiet longer than expected,
s/he can disable the system before the cryonics group is called.


4) Depending on the patient's condition and prognosis the system should be keyed
to dial the cryonics organization _first_, or another appropriate local
responder.  I believe autodialers to 911 are illegal, but the point is, you do
not want to activate the EMS for someone who is terminal and thus subject them

to a long and unnecessary period of resuscitation/transport and possibly make an
ME's case out of them.

5) If Billy Seidel needs infrared motion detectors, time delay relays or any
other parts of a security system CALL ME.  I've a got a  box full of this stuff
in working condition, including the master control hardware.  I would also note
that Radio Shack carries a line of home security products which are ideal for
this kind of system as Harara has previously noted.

6) Bed is the second most likely place people are when they experience sudden
cardiac death.  The #1 place is the toilet.  Straining to pass stool results in

Valsalva's maneuver which transiently but profoundly descreases myocardial blood

flow.  Every ME in the world has filing cabinets full of pictures of people dead

on the floor next to the commode.  Thus, a "bed only system" is of vedry limited
utility.  I would strongly urge that ALL rooms have motion detectors at a
minimum with the bed perhaps being reserved for the most sophisticated
monitoring since that is where people are "motionless" for the longest time.

Last but not least. I repeat, BPI has two clients who are in urgent need of a

system like this.  One has been hospitalized with cardiac arrythmias 12 times in
the last 2 years.  This person is a pioneering cryonicist, and it would be most

unfortunate if s/he were not found until several days after cardiac arrest.  So,
I am ACUTELY interested in seeing this problem solved and I am willing to work
with anyone who can solve it SOON.

If Joe Strout and Billy Seidel could get in touch with each other, and both of
them also get in touch with me, I'd like to see what can be done.  BPI and 21st
have three staff who live in San Diego and commute to Rancho, so we are down
there often.  A meeting with Joe Strout would be highly desireable.  Also, most
of us will be at the Society for Critical Care Medicine Convention in San Diego
during some days (but not all) from Feb 4 -10th.  That might be a good time to
get together.

Mike Darwin





Finally, Schering-Plough and AVID both have implantable chips which can be
placed with a hypodermic needle and syringe assembly.They are FDA licensed for
veterinary use only, however I have a physician who will place such a chip in a
human in the proper jurisdiction.  The advantage of the chip is that it has a

unique identifying number allowing it to be used in situations where two or more
high risk persons cohabit.  It also cannot be removed and this is of nontrivial
importance since many elderly people who suffer deep brain strokes will often
strip all of their clothing and jewelery off of themselves and wander about
naked before they arrest.


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