X-Message-Number: 7620 Date: Sun, 02 Feb 1997 14:29:32 +0100 From: John de Rivaz <> Subject: Re: Olga Visser's AIDS patches Couldn't agree with this sci.cryonics posting more - it is a matter of choice. If the only choice is between death or wearing an untested patch that *may* offer life, then anyone who tries to prevent it is the AH. So often people in their minds consider choices from the wrong set. I wish Olga V. good luck and I hope her cryonic process and her AIDS processes are a success and all the establishment voices are stunned into silence. The facts will tell - if the AIDS treatment is cheap and effective in a reasonable proportion of cases, then even armed violence will not keep it from the people. I would say, though, that if it is not patented, then no one will raise the billions of pounds and spend the years needed to get it through the regulatory process, so it will always remain an under the counter remedy, at least in the USA and other developed countries. But if it works, then word of mouth will spread it like wildfire and laywers and regulators will be flattened in the rush to get it. We know they are worried about physical contact with AIDS sufferers, so I don't think they will put up much of a resistance. However it must be stated that even successful, establishement approved, medicines never work in 100% of cases. Cancer treatments are a good example of this - manufacturers talk in terms of number of years remission, not cure. With cryonics, subsconsciously people make a choice between the set of 1. A normal healthy life 2. being cryopreserved. They do not make the choice between 1. being rotted 2. being burned 3. being cryopreserved At the time of cryporeservation, only the second set of multiple choices remain. there is no further option. The problem is that people confronted with the idea do not see themselves at the time when the second set is the only option, because they are not at that time. No one has ever suggested that people be cryopreserved when healthy (in order to arrive in the future healthy) because the suspension damage is so severe. However that suggestion is frequently made when suspended animation is presented in films, and is therefore subsconsciously embedded. In article: <> Chris Benatar <> writes: > the circumstances in which the test > subjects were recruited and that includes the environment they were > living in. The methods and levels of consent obtained. I don't even > know exactly what Virodene consists of and neither does anyone else > in this thread - just conjecture.etc. etc. > > I found the following statement on the internet describing how the > drug was administered: > > The patients wore the patches for eight hours once a week > > Not quite the large injections pumped in reguarly that I was envisiging > after reading Harris's post. I would guess that the dose from a patch 8 > hours a week is fairly low. > > Lets not try judge the case before hearing witnesses and evidence. > Anyone who does try this just comes across as an arsehole in my > book. > -- ***************************************** Sincerely, * Longevity Report * * http://www.longevb.demon.co.uk/lr.htm * John de Rivaz * Fractal Report * * http://www.longevb.demon.co.uk/fr.htm * * Music I like - see homepage * ***************************************** In the information age, sharing can increase world wealth enormously, because giving information does not decrease your information. http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/JohndeR Fast loading, very few slow pictures Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=7620