X-Message-Number: 777 Date: 29 Apr 92 11:11:23 EDT From: Michael <> Subject: Re: cryonics: #771 - #772 Respecting Individual Liberty My thanks to Steve Jackson for his spirited response to "Another Unnecessary Loss". I agree with him totally. He just missed my point. This was undoubtedly my fault, as I wasn't clear. >Nobody has the right to freeze someone against their will. Period. Obviously, this is true. The question I had with Dr Feinberg was whether, after all he knew and seemed at one time to agree with, what was his "will". Being isolated in a non-receptive family environment has to be intimidating even for someone as powerful as Gerald Feinberg. An alternative support system will inevitably be developed in cryonics for those people who need it. If I had known Dr Feinberg was ill, I would have felt obligated to ask him about his signup progress. Does that make me a "cryo-Moonie"? He could have told me to mind my own business, if he wished. Equally, he could have let us know he was ill and asked for help. He didn't, others might. It's worth the effort and possible rebuff. On publishing names: again Steve missed my point. No one will publish names of people who want privacy. I'd love to see a public list of cryonicists, but many have too much to lose at this stage of our development to "go public". Understood. But, when someone asks for signup paperwork, they can also be asked if they would like to be contacted by an "information committee member" in their area who could answer any questions that come up. Some will say yes. Those people might be interested in getting the support for signing up that would follow from having any questions they have answered locally. This is human caring, not an invasion of privacy. The individual can stop the support any time they wish. Knowing cryonicists, the last thing anyone has to worry about is being "badgered". Eventually there will probably be cryo-Moonies, but that day is not close at hand. My best as always, Michael Paulle Date: 29 Apr 92 15:24:32 EDT From: Michael <> Subject: Society's Loss, No One's Gain Society's Loss, No One's Gain We lost another "giant" today--Francis Bacon. He was on my personal Top 10 list. Now, I've lost 2 of my 10 this year. The other was Miles Davis. How long do you suppose society can lose people of this caliber before it says "enough"? Do you think they will finally say "these people are irreplaceable and we must not let them die"? Can we at least get DNA samples of these mega-people and bring back their clones? Surely the clone of Miles Davis should be able to play the trumpet and the clone of Francis Bacon would be able to paint. It would be really interesting for us who knew the original to monitor the work of the clones. Maybe that would be our value to the future, as "remember-ers". Michael Paulle Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=777