X-Message-Number: 8176
Subject: brains in vats
Date: Sun, 04 May 1997 20:54:45 -0400
From: "Perry E. Metzger" <>

> Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 10:54:34 +0100
> From: John de Rivaz <>
> Subject: Re: Are we in a simulation?
> 
> In article: <>  
> writes:
> > First, answer me how you can prove that you are in the real world, and
> > then we can go on to the question of the subjectivity experienced by a
> > computerized intelligence.
> > 
> > I contend that last week, I anesthetized you, removed your brain from
> > your body, put it on life support, and attached you to a VR
> > system. Prove that I didn't. Demonstrate that I'm lying.
> > 
> 
> To do that would require technology that is not available at this time nor 
> is likely to be available for several decades or even more.

That is not a demonstration. That is an assumption.

Perry

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