X-Message-Number: 9215
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 05:05:46 -1000
From: L Hardy <>
Subject: Re: CryoNet #9208 - #9213
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> Message #9210
> From: Thomas Donaldson <>
> Subject: Re: CryoNet #9203 - #9207
> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 09:37:56 -0800 (PST)
>
> Hi everyone!
>
> The notion of "God's Law" seems unlikely to work on the face of it. Without
> going into lots of details, I will note that there is NO case in which
> the government simply allows some traditional organization to continue ---


Thomas this statement is absurd, most of our statutory law is based on "maxims 
of law" which

is derived from the scripture.  There are hundreds of Trust in existence that 
the government

doesn't know exist at all, most of which are based on the Common Law of the 
Land, which in its

essence, is Gods Law.  I have been involved in quite a few Trusts and have 
researched many

others for years.  Many, churches that existed in the early part of the century 
before

corporations were popular are not incorporated.  Again, this is where you are 
extremely

ignorant and blabbing things that you have no knowledge.   For what reason, or 
what you hope

to gain I don't know.  Just because you haven't heard of them doesn't mean they 
don't exist.
Do some research before you open your big mouth.

> not that cryonics or organizations raising money for cryonics can be seen
> as traditional! But everything has to have its special papers,


according to you...  You are all knowing...  and of course your advice is 
dependable and

credible...more than mine.   What is your background in law...  Please edify for
our readers
so that we might trust your bold and arrogant statements.

> each with their special form. Even Indian tribes have to do this.
>

> I am not arguing about what should be but what is. And I will go on from there
> to say that if this is the kind of law the Hardy's are using for Prometheus,


Here again thomas you are speaking from a blank place in your head, you said you
read the

documents that Paul and We devised, did you see this kind of Law implied or 
talked about

there, here you go again with your presumptuous nature, or maybe its just real 
short term
memory.  As usual you speak before you look or think.

> I think Paul should get another lawyer.


I have never stated myself as a lawyer, you have been told this so many times, I
guess this is
related to your short term memory again.

> Ideally, he should get a lawyer from
> among those who pledged (rates should be lower).


Not one lawyer that I know of has offered to give any of his time for anything.
I contributed

months of time without charge, its far more than you pledged to the PP, here 
again you are

trying to make yourself look superior.  But all you can say for yourself is 
talk, where's the
action.

> Some may argue that such arrangements should be permitted. While I am willing
> to listen to them as an abstract point,

which is all they were stated as.

> I do not want my money or my hopes
> for research in cryonics to become part of an unrelated movement to change
> the rules by which the Federal and State governments operate.


This was never the effort or direction or even interest for my comments.  Here 
again you are

being so very presumptuous and adding intent that was never there or even 
thought of.

Obliviously this intent is what is coming from your own heart. Thomas you must 
be hell to live

with, everything your mate would say to you, you would add your own meaning to 
it and tell all
your friends all about it, without regard for the truth or your mates feelings.


How can you be a scientist, you have no clue of what are facts or fiction, and 
your memory is

so short term, you cannot even get your facts straight regarding a document that
has been in

front of you for 6 months.  So much of what you say is taken out of context, 
what does this
say about your scientific notes.

> I did not give my money for that purpose.


Who knows what you gave your money for, it seems ego.  All you want to do is 
argue and talk

down about people.  My comments on this forum were innocent and didn't have 
anything to do

with PP or any other cryonics or suspended animation project.  It was only a 
suggestion to

stimulate another poster to look at other options for their questions.  And here
you go and

apply those comments to everything. else that has been done by myself as a gift 
to PP and the

movement, where is the gratitude for that, the fact is you couldn't give a rip.
For those who

are inerested, these idea's were not used in the trusts that were proposed for 
PP.

Now I see why Paul Wakfer gets so frustrated with you cryonics bench sitters.


My interest in posting was not to get into a debating match, or name calling 
games you so much

like to play.  I thought this was possibly a forum where a person could give his
comments or

imput without being barraged with criticisms.  No wonder people who have money 
or wealth don't

want anything to do with your group.  All you can do is bicker.  Who wants to be
involved with

this kind of movement or group.  Its no wonder you as a group have accomplished 
so little in
so long of a time.


Thomas, I wonder how you come up with such good idea's sometimes, because you 
are so off the
wall other times.


I regret that I bothered communicating on this forum.  Its not worth the mental 
effort to

participate in this babble box.  Forget I commented on the subject, it was 
stupid of me, I
should have known better.

Allen Hardy

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