X-Message-Number: 9491 Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 13:37:14 -0700 From: Paul Wakfer <> Subject: Re: CryoNet #9483 Cheap Storage References: <> > Message #9484 > Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 20:04:38 +0800 > From: Robert Horley <> > Subject: Re: CryoNet #9472 - #9483 > And a lot of the price savings > come from the fact that CI have gone out of their way to develop cheap but > effective long term storage. As founder and developer of CryoSpan and being quite familiar with Alcor storage, I must take exception with this statement. The CI storage technology and methods may be *as* effective as the dewar storage technology used by CryoSpan and Alcor (however, I believe that it is somewhat less so), but a full analysis will show that the amortized yearly cost of CI storage is at least at high as that of CryoSpan and Alcor. Certainly, the amount of liquid nitrogen needed per whole body patient per year is much greater with CI storage (at least double). On these matters, you might wish to read my debate with Bob Ettinger in _CryoCare Report_ #9 October 1996. What confuses new people is the amount of the capital fund which must be placed in trust to support the storage. The major reason for the much larger capital fund for CryoSpan or Alcor storage than for CI storage is because CryoSpan (actually CryoCare or ACS) and Alcor have a much lower estimate of the average real income which will be available from that capital during the many decades or even centuries of storage than does CI. In addition, CI has been very successful at getting large bequests to augment their patient care fund. This, of course, implies that the minimally funded CI patients are being subsidized by those who leave bequests. Neither CryoCare nor Alcor wish to rely on such bequests to make their patient care fund viable. Finally, I would like to state that I am only challenging this point as a matter of truth and accuracy. I now have no control of the operation of CryoSpan (nor little interest) and I am no longer a member of CryoCare. While I would sign up and get frozen by whatever methods were then avaiable if I became terminal, I am thoroughly disenchanted by current cryonics. My present interests and activist energies lie in the areas of extending uninterupted lifespan, and of creating a working product for "when all else fails" through the perfection of suspended animation and its adoption by the medical establishment as an elective operation choosable well before ones terminal conditon reaches highly damaging levels. -- Paul -- Voice/Fax: 416-968-6291 Page: 800-805-2870 The Institute for Neural Cryobiology - http://neurocryo.org Perfected cryopreservation of Central Nervous System tissue for neuroscience research and medical repair of brain diseases Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=9491