X-Message-Number: 9629 Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 02:57:48 -0400 From: Saul Kent <> Subject: "Do The Research And They Will Come" Theory After reading Tim Freeman's (9619) characterization of my theory that research leading to improved cryonics methods and more credibililty for cryonics will lead to increased sales, as the "do the research and they will come" theory, I'd like to clarify my theory. I do not now, nor have I ever believed, that improved cryonics methods will automatically lead to significantly greater sales for cryonics, although I think some rise in sales with improved methods is inevitable, provided there are viable, competent cryonics companies offering these services. For cryonics sales to rise *greatly* after our product is significantly improved, and especially *before* it is perfected, we'll have to engage in a, major marketing campaign to sell our improved product (and well-funded research program). This would be necessary for virtually *any* product; it is especially necessary when selling a complex, costly product such as cryonics that has so much emotional bagage attached to it. My strategy is to refrain from spending big bucks on marketing *now* because of how poor our product is, and because it has little or no credibility in society. However, I strongly believe that, when our product becomes good enough (according to objective scientific criteria and greater acceptance in society), we should not only spend time, effort and money marketing cryonics, but we should do so in a far better way than we've ever done before. Right now, I don't think it's justified to do that kind of marketing, or else I'd be putting some of my own money into it, but, in a few years, depending upon how fast our research can deliver the goods, I believe that such a marketing effort will pay off in spades! If we're properly prepared when our product justifies a major marketing campaign, we'll only need a very tiny fraction of the potential market (everyone) to build a large, powerful and highly profitable industry. Cryonics is a big ticket item. It's costly and should be even more costly when done on a last minute basis. Moreover, cryonics is a business that attracts roughly 10 times more customers who sign up in advance of their need for the service than those who sign up when they're about to die. Cryonics is a business where some customers invest their money in cryonics research and services, while others donate much of their money to cryonics organizations or put it in trusts or foundations for themselves and loved ones. If we offer clinical, financial and other services in a professional, cost effective manner, we can build a very big industry with only a very small fraction of the potential market. In this context, I offer the following comments about Tim Freeman's use of calorie restriction (CR) as an example of a practice that has failed to become popular in spite of evidence that it may slow aging and extend lifespan, as well as his com- parison of CR with cryonics: 1) First of all, CR suffers, in part, from the same problem as cryonics: it hasn't been proven to work in humans. While there is hard evidence that CR works in rodents, there is as yet only suggestive evidence that it works in monkeys and humans. I think it's likely that CR *will* be proven to work in humans, just as I think it = is likely that unperfected cryonics will be proven to work (at least in some cases), but the proof isn't there yet. 2) Second, it's only in recent years that there has been widespread publicity about the effects of CR on aging and lifespan, even though the research in rodents goes back to the 1930s. In contrast, there has been widespread publicity about cryonics since the mid '60s. 3) Third, there aren't many people in society today who understand the link between slowed aging and the extension of maximum lifespan. Most people are unaware that CR is the only proven method (in rodents) to slow aging. Claims for a wide variety of products that allegedly "slow aging" and "extend lifespan" confuse the issue. 4) Fourth, even those few who *do* understand the potential benefits of CR, and who wish to practice it, find it hard to do so because it's very hard to deprive oneself of food on a chronic basis. This is because we have to eat constantly to stay alive and healthy; because eating is very enjoyable for most people; because we are constantly tempted by food and advertisements for food at home, on TV, in other people's houses and in restaurants; and finally because many people become addicted to fatty and surgary foods that are not good for them. A good example of the difficullty of practicing CR can be found in Ben Best's article--"Can Calorie Restriction Work In Humans?" in the June 1998 issue of Life Extenson Magazine, which is available from The Life Extension Foundation - 1-800-841-5433 (www.lef.org). 5) Five is the fact that no one has yet tried to sell CR to the public, either directly, or through doctors. Major sales growth requires an indentifyable product, a company (or companies) selling the product, and a marketing campaign to sell the product. None of this yet exists for CR. I would like to point out that, in fact, millions of people *have* bought a product which is, in effect a type of CR, although it's not sold for the purpose of slowing aging. The product I'm referring to is weight- loss diets/programs that feature a balanced diet high in nutrients, but low in calories. This is pretty much what CR is. At one point or another, every person who wants to lose weight probably tries this approach, which is endorsed by the medical establishment. The problem is that few people can use CR to lose weight over the long haul because they simply can't stay on such a diet long enough to do so...for the reasons given above. To sum up, I do not believe CR is an example of a product whole sales are poor in spite of evidence that it works, and, as I pointed = out earlier, I am *not* an advocate of the "do the research and they will = come" theory. You might say, I believe in the "do the research and sell the product" theory, as well as the "*perfect* the product and cause a revolution" theory. ---Saul Kent, CEO 21st Century Medicine Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=9629