X-Message-Number: 9812 Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 21:46:59 -0700 (PDT) From: John K Clark <> Subject: Heckling -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In #9795 On Thu 28 May 1998 Thomas Donaldson <>Wrote: >No, Ralph Merkle DID NOT establish that memory would survive. For the 8523 time, NOBODY SAID HE DID! >I had quite a number of questions which if answered would give much >better indications as to whether memory did or did not survive, and >even where and what kind. [...] Of course, this means that research >done now may even clarify this issue. But we still need that research. I have one question, who the hell are you arguing with? Dr. Merkle wants more research, I want more research, everybody wants more research. >I do not think fallacious arguments for cryonics should be used. >Ever. A keen grasp of the obvious. >Here is a simple way to see the problem with Merkle's argument. >Apply it to a piece of brain ground up into hamburger. That's chaotic, two things can be arbitrarily close to each other before they enter the grinder and end up very far apart when they leave it, that would erase the information on the original structure. If anybody had bothered to actually read Dr. Merkle's post before responding to it, and it doesn't appear anybody has, they would see that he gave good reasons for thinking that this might (I repeat, MIGHT) not happen when a brain is frozen. John K Clark -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.i iQCzAgUBNW98+n03wfSpid95AQG9vQTtFZCgduJ+gmFl6HUc1qYIlHd8ghZ48D0a IL9l/3kUMwuSAWpjLt0Lw8msmAhT8V4QRJh4BY7Ec/0Vo+U7PlBlKvr4j7zhdY5J 7nH16tKVnN9Ar16XnDBiKJasI8u+sUUQTT1E16zVmaUOSjtiSgGcuyjMnJYXRAJq LInBdAoYpySXjUwLd6Kf6tmsjJStHzf823ar3L5ddFPT5UUU8n8=9XgH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=9812