X-Message-Number: 9812
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 21:46:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: John K Clark <>
Subject: Heckling

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In #9795 On Thu 28 May 1998 Thomas Donaldson <>Wrote:
            
        >No, Ralph Merkle DID NOT establish that memory would survive. 
            

For the 8523 time, NOBODY SAID HE DID!   
              


        >I had quite a number of questions which if answered would give much
        
        >better indications as to whether memory did or did not survive, and
        
        >even where and what kind. [...]  Of course, this means that research
                >done now may even clarify this issue. But we still need that research.
                

I have one question, who the hell are you arguing with? Dr. Merkle wants more  
research, I want more research, everybody wants more research.
                   


        >I do not think fallacious arguments for cryonics should be used.
                >Ever.


A keen grasp of the obvious.
                   


        >Here is a simple way to see the problem with Merkle's argument.
                >Apply it to a piece of brain ground up into hamburger.
                   

That's chaotic, two things can be arbitrarily close to each other before they  
enter the grinder and end up very far apart when they leave it, that would 
erase the information on the original structure. If anybody had bothered to 
actually read Dr. Merkle's post before responding to it, and it doesn't 
appear anybody has, they would see that he gave good reasons for thinking 
that this might (I repeat, MIGHT) not happen when a brain is frozen.

                                             John K Clark    

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