X-Message-Number: 9818 Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 16:32:27 -0400 From: Saul Kent <> Subject: Cryonics Funding Bob Ettinger says (9803) that: "If more complicated and more expensive preparation methods are adopted in the future, the use of THOSE methods will not be included in the guarantee (of no price increases for CI members who pre-pay their suspension fees), but we will still (if necessary) prepare the patient by the older methods at the guaranteed price. (In fact, eventually we may have a range of options, some of them even cheaper than current procedures.)" I agree that a range of options for cryonics patients offered by cryonics organizations is likely, and that it is desirable. Much of the research now being conducted at 21st Century Medicine (21CM) is aimed at (and moving towards) improved methods of cryo- preservation of cells, tissues, organs and organisms. Once these methods are developed, they will have to be adapted for use in cryonics. A further problem will be to develop a trained team capable of delivering cryonics services based upon these methods. There will almost certainly be added costs for the delivery of such cryonics services, although it is too early to estimate them. When advanced cryonics methods, which have been demonstrated scientifically, are available at higher prices, it will be desirable to continue to offer lower tech, less costly methods for those who cannot afford the more expensive methods. Hank Hirsch (9805) raises the issue of the cost of reanimation. As Hirsch points out, if more funding than anticipated is needed for reanimation, cryopreserved patients will no longer be in a position to "come up with any more money." The problem is that, although it is certain that there will be costs associated with reanimation, no one today has any idea of what these costs will be, although it is likely that the better a patient is preserved, the lower the costs of reanimation will be. Given these uncertainties, what is a person with limited financial means to do. If the person is young and healthy, with strong earning potential in the future, term insurance is a low-cost option until the person has more assets in the future. If the person is older and less healthy, with little earning potential in the future, an asset such as a house might be used to secure cryonics funding. In general, given the uncertainties of future costs, the more money you set aside for cryonics, the better your chances are likely to be. In this light, it is a good idea to examine the terminology we use for funding. Every cryonics organization uses the term "minimum" funding, although there is considerable variation among these minimums. I think every cryonicist should aspire to greater funding than the "minimum", which is lowest level of funding an organization has determined is compatible with long-term pre- servation and reanimation. It's quite possible, that the cryonics organization has under- estimated the true costs of long-term preservation and reanimation. Certainly, the fact that we have no idea what reanimation costs will be should undermine one's confidence about the adequacy of having minimum funding. Cryonics organizations have been able to ascertain their costs of cryopreservation and estimate the costs of long-term preservation, taking into account such uncertain factors as inflation, investment strategies, and potential legal and political problems. I think it would be desirable for these organizations to include the costs of reanimation in their estimations, even though the estimation of these costs would be crude at best. The reason I think estimated reanima- tion costs should be included in determining minimum funding is because I believe it is vital that we face reality as much as possible in offering cryonics services to the public. If we want people to take cryonics seriously, I think we need to be serious about trying to estimate *all* the costs of cryonics. There *will* be reanimation costs, including the possibility that more than one attempt may be needed before a person can be revived, and ignoring these costs does not build confidence in the movement. I also think we need to take more seriously the issue of providing assets for persons *after* they are reanimated. Cryonicists are fond of saying they'd be thrilled to be revived, even if they don't have a dime to their name. That's a fine sentiment, but no one *wants* to be revived without any assets (especially if they have them now), and anyone who thinks there is a realistic chance of revival will want to consider their options regarding this matter. A number of years ago, Bill Faloon and I set up The Reanimation Foundation in Lichtenstein in order to provide cryonicists with a way of putting away assets for use after they are revived. I think all cryonics organizations should offer their members the option of starting a Reanimation Foundation account (or at least inform them about it), and come up with a plan of their own to offer their members a way to preserve their assets for the post-revival period. Getting back to the issue of funding in general, I think it would be desirable for cryonics organizations to offer two (or more) levels of funding. In addition to the "minimum" funding level, I think they should offer a higher "recommended" level of funding. By doing so, the cryonics organization would make it clear that their "minimum" level might not be enough to cover all future costs, and that their "minimum" level of funding is far from optimal. ---Saul Kent Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=9818