X-Message-Number: 33076
From: "John de Rivaz" <>
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Subject: Re: Fear of death
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 11:55:54 -0000

I would certainly join those who deny that cryonics avoids the fear of 
death.

A totally child like faith in religion, as regarded by writers of The Bible 
as being highly virtuous, will avoid the fear of death if totally genuine. 
So if the sole aim is to avoid the fear of death, rather than avoid death 
itself, the Pope and his colleagues win hands down.

Coincidentally this point is made in a letter to the current issue of New 
Scientist
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20827870.800-blithe-spirit.html
The writer of this letter lives in British Columbia.

Incidentally I regard Dr Stodolsky's excellent analysis of the motives 
behind the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation horribly convincing. Gates 
comes from a legal background and is also obviously highly intelligent. He 
wrote the first examples of the software that the world runs on today. It is 
just a shame that he does not "see" cryonics, and has probably never even 
considered it for a moment.

Or maybe he has considered it and rejected it for reasons we less 
intelligent people cannot see.

Only the future will tell! The interesting similarity between cryonics and 
religion is that both have ideas that exist outside people. All those that 
started religions are dead yet their religions survive as ideas. Even if all 
those cryopreserved are killed as a result of the institutions financially 
raping the cryonics service providers for their money, ('long march through 
the institutions') the future could still tell whether those people could 
have been revived if they had remained cryopreserved long enough. As a 
result individual members of those institutions may not be remembered as 
favourably as they would have liked.

-- 
Sincerely, John de Rivaz:  http://John.deRivaz.com for websites including
Cryonics Europe, Longevity Report, The Venturists, Porthtowan, Alec Harley
Reeves - inventor, Arthur Bowker - potter, de Rivaz genealogy,  Nomad .. and
more

----- Original Message ----- 
From: David Stodolsky <>
Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2010 10:00 AM
Subject: CryoNet #33072 - #33075

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> *Now* you've got the beginnings of a movement.  People want
> this.  Everyone's afraid of death.

Many will deny this. And we compete head on with the Pope in selling a 
solution to this fear.
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